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Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:53 am to
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Who needs to be THAT high?



It's not about getting high. It's about expanding your mind and perception of the world. DMT is a little too intense for my tastes, but a nice acid trip every now and then is good for the mind. The stripping of one's ego and gaining an appreciation for the world around you can do amazing things to your world outlook.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:59 am to
Very disruptive technology...
This should not be taken on without proper preparation, humility, and respect...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs0On1AcPkU

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Its Time to Evolve Beyond our Ordinary Consciousness and Culture. Create Your Own Culture. Find the Others. Spread Important Ideas. Return to the Miracle of Existence.

From a talk on his book: "Food of the Gods," in Santa Monica 1992.

Great Terence McKenna Quotes:

"We are Really in a Race on this Planet Between Education and Disaster."
"The Felt Presence of Immediate Experience is the Center Piece of our Existence."
"We Need a Sense of Unity, not an Idea of Unity. Feeling is Primary."
"If We Could Feel what we are Doing, then we would Stop Doing It."


Related Film based on the work of Terence McKenna "The Archaic Revival: Paradise Regained" -
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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:59 am to
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Roger, you can easily distill some crystals from plant matter, FYI. Not hard to find instructions.


Oh, I know a girl who can hook me up. I just haven't been past the wanna do stage but think I'm there.
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:00 am to
Would love to try this. Wife even said that she’s wanting to give it a shot as well.

But we don’t do anything anymore and know no one to find some anywhere Funny how as you get older, your plugs fade away :
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:01 am to
The work of Rick Strassman MD with DMT is interesting to say the least...

Elves, demons, aliens...

Regarding interdimensional beings:

Broadly:

The human brain is like a television set that receives inputs. Under normal circumstances we can only receive a few stations that define our reality (perception=reality).

There are hacks that can expand our receivers that allow us to receive other inputs (that are always there, just not perceived).

Drugs (psychedelics)
Meditation /Holotrophic breathing
Technology

Strassman's work (government funded) (linked below) is very compelling. Multiple people reported similar experiences with beings (independent of one another...)

Ancient culture have used some of the above to commune with the spirit world:

-Native American of the southwest using peyote
-Amazon tribes using Ayahuasca
-Controversial.. Moses and the burning bush (theorized to be the Acacia plant which contains psychedelic compounds and is indingenous to that region)


Background for perspective:

LINK

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Drugs and the Meaning of Life
Sam Harris

LINK

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Joe Rogan Experience #477 - Dennis McKenna & Josh Wickerham


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Dennis McKenna is an ethnopharmacologist, author, and brother to well-known psychedelics proponent Terence McKenna. Josh Wickerham is the chief advisor to the ESC, Ethnobotanical Stewardship Council.

LINK


The work of:

Terrance McKenna LINK

He argues that human development /evolution was guided by plants/psychedelics...
Contemporaries argue that much of current suffering/mental health issues evolve from a disconnect from our environment / nature (distracted and mismatched society...)

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Terence Kemp McKenna (November 16, 1946 – April 3, 2000) was an American ethnobotanist, mystic, psychonaut, lecturer, author, and an advocate for the responsible use of naturally occurring psychedelic plants. He spoke and wrote about a variety of subjects, including psychedelic drugs, plant-based entheogens, shamanism, metaphysics, alchemy, language, philosophy, culture, technology, environmentalism, and the theoretical origins of human consciousness. He was called the "Timothy Leary of the '90s",[1][2] "one of the leading authorities on the ontological foundations of shamanism",[3] and the "intellectual voice of rave culture".[4]


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In his book Food of the Gods, McKenna proposed that the transformation from humans' early ancestors Homo erectus to the species Homo sapiens mainly had to do with the addition of the mushroom Psilocybe cubensis in its diet,[25][70][71] an event that according to his theory took place in about 100,000 BCE (this is when he believed that the species diverged from the Homo genus).[21][72] McKenna based his theory on the main effects, or alleged effects, produced by the mushroom[3] while citing studies by Roland Fischer et al. from the late 1960s to early 1970s.[73][74]


Rick Strassman

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Rick Strassman (born February 8, 1952 in Los Angeles, California) is a medical doctor specialized in psychiatry with a fellowship in clinical psychopharmacology research. He has held a fellowship in clinical psychopharmacology research at the University of California San Diego and was Professor of Psychiatry for eleven years at the University of New Mexico. [1] After twenty years of intermission, Strassman was the first person in the United States to undertake human research with psychedelic, hallucinogenic, or entheogenic substances with his research on N,N-dimethyltryptamine. He is also the author of the well known book "DMT: Spirit Molecule" which summarizes his academic research into DMT and includes his own reflections and conclusions based on this research.


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Psychedelic drug research[edit]
Strassman's studies, taking place between 1990 and 1995 in the General Clinical Research Center of the University of New Mexico Hospital, aimed to investigate the effects of N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT), a powerful psychedelic drug, that is found in hundreds of plants and every mammal that has been studied. DMT is made primarily in mammalian lung tissue, and is related to human neurotransmitter serotonin and the pineal hormone melatonin.

Strassman refers to DMT as the "spirit molecule" because its effects include many features of religious experience, such as visions, voices, disembodied consciousness, powerful emotions, novel insights, and feelings of overwhelming significance. During the project's five years, he administered approximately 400 doses of DMT to nearly five dozen human volunteers.[6][7] Strassman was the first to legally administer psychedelics to people in the United States in 20 years, and his research has widely been regarded as kicking off the "psychedelic renaissance", in which many psychedelic compounds have begun again to be scientifically studied since the early 70s.[8][9]

Strassman characterized biological and psychological effects in his first set of dose-response studies, effects consistent with activation of central and/or peripheral serotonin receptors.[10] His team published a companion article describing psychological effects and preliminary results of a new rating scale, the Hallucinogen Rating Scale, or HRS.[11] The HRS has seen wide acceptance throughout the international research community as a sensitive and specific instrument for measuring psychological effects of a wide variety of psychoactive substances, with over 45 articles documenting its use as of mid-2015. A follow-up DMT study demonstrated lack of tolerance to the psychological effects of repeated closely spaced doses of DMT, making DMT unique among classical psychedelics.[12]

More than half of Strassman’s volunteers reported profound encounters/interaction with non-human beings while in a dissociated state. Dr. Strassman has conjectured that when a person is approaching death or possibly when in a dream state, the body releases DMT in a relatively large amount, mediating some of the imagery reported by survivors of near-death experiences. However, there are no data correlating endogenous DMT activity to non-drug-related altered states of consciousness.[13] He also has theorized that the pineal gland may form DMT under certain conditions, and in 2013 researchers first reported DMT in the pineal gland microdialysate of rodents.[14]

He has detailed his research in his book DMT: The Spirit Molecule; and he co-produced a documentary film by the same name DMT: The Spirit Molecule, based on this book.[15] Dr. Strassman has also conducted similar research using psilocybin, a psychedelic alkaloid found in hallucinogenic mushrooms. In unpublished studies, he administered doses of up to 1.1 mg/kg, nearly three times the doses considered "psychedelic" in contemporary clinical research with this compound.[16] He also had permission to begin an LSD study, but he did not begin by the time he finished his DMT study.




Posted by litenin
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:07 am to
I've been reading about it for a few years and would like to try it, ideally with a close friend or two in a controlled environment. I've read about ways to order the plants (root) from Mexico or S. America and make it at home, although a little nervous about that process.

Hoping that one of my friends can find it at some point so I don't have to go through people I don't know well. Saw a comedian explain his 1st time doing it recently (Comedy Central bit?) and was likely a genuine account while still having a bit of humor.

Whenever I go a night or two without sleeping well and then catch up (usually with melatonin), I have very vivid dreams and have read that this is likely due to an increase in DMT being released naturally.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:18 am to
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I would consider using them again them in order to expand the depth of my conquest for spirituality, not to get high.


Yep

Gotta have a little adventure when we are here. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Experience all we can, push the limits and open ourselves to things we can't conceive in the present consciousness.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298319 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:21 am to
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Vaping is trashy as frick and looks ridiculous,


One of the things I don't care about. Everything is trashy to someone, so don't give them any power over you.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:26 am to
Has anyone here smoked salvia? That shite was wild
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:32 am to
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Who needs to be THAT high?


lmao. not even what it about
Posted by IdahoTiger
San Diego, CA
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:35 am to
I've had one experience with DMT and I certainly underestimated it. I was transported to a metal hospital bed, saw entities, then a panorama of eyes examining me, then flew through a darkness that I can only assume is what space feels like. While this is happening, I didn't know what a human was, much less what my name was. Then I came back to my body. I thought I died and it was pretty unsettling. I'm glad I had the experience, but I'm not necessarily rushing to do it again. It really made me appreciate the feeling of being back on earth and in the real world.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:35 am to
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Has anyone here smoked salvia? That shite was wild


Not yet. Definitely on the short list.
Posted by 14&Counting
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:39 am to
So what is the difference between DMT and LSD?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:43 am to
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So what is the difference between DMT and LSD?



About 12 hours.
Posted by IdahoTiger
San Diego, CA
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:46 am to
I've actually never tried LSD, and am quite inexperienced when it comes to psychedelics. Other than a small amount of mushrooms, DMT is my one main experience with psychedelics. That's probably why it was such as extreme shock to me. Even if you're experienced though, DMT is a whole other animal and I don't think there's much you can do to prepare except talk to someone who's been through the experience. My main piece of advice to anyone doing DMT would be to just let go and don't fight the feeling when you "leave the world" because you'll definitely come back.

LSD increases Serotonin, while DMT is produced in the pineal glad of the brain. From talking to friends, I think of LSD as allowing you to see visuals and and open up some extra senses like seeing sounds...but DMT transports you to a whole other dimension.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 9:48 am
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:50 am to
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really made me appreciate the feeling of being back on earth and in the real world.


Some would argue that the realm you described is the “real world” of total perception while waking life is the agreed upon, filtered, mass hallucinated dream world...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lyu7v7nWzfo

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Your brain hallucinates your conscious reality

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Right now, billions of neurons in your brain are working together to generate a conscious experience -- and not just any conscious experience, your experience of the world around you and of yourself within it. How does this happen? According to neuroscientist Anil Seth, we're all hallucinating all the time; when we agree about our hallucinations, we call it "reality." Join Seth for a delightfully disorienting talk that may leave you questioning the very nature of your existence.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 9:51 am
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:04 am to
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So what is the difference between DMT and LSD?



Kidding aside..

LSD heightens your senses, and unless you take a lot of it in one dose, your reality isn't all that distorted. You do have visuals - think of a kaleidoscope - but you can still mostly "function". I put function in quotes because it really depends on how much you take. The best thing about LSD is it just makes you appreciate the world around you. Like if you go outside, there's an added glow to the leaves in the trees, the clouds are amazing if it's daylight outside, music sounds better and the music in your head can cause things around you to seem like their moving to the music as well. The first few hours are euphoric. After the peak, you're still getting visuals, and your senses are still heightened, but your brain gets really introspective. Your mind wanders and this is where people can get off the rails on a "bad trip." Your ego is completely gone and you really start questioning your own mortality, your decisions in life, your place in life, etc. It can be quite beautiful if you're in the right frame of mind. A typical LSD trip lasts about 12 hours, but there is also an afterglow where you're not really tripping anymore, but still feel that body glow. That can last a for a day or two afterwards.

DMT only lasts about 10-20 minutes. There's no buildup to a peak. You almost immediately are transformed to a different world. You see things that are not there - wizards, demons, angels, etc. Think Alice In Wonderland, but ramped up by about 10,000. You can't really function while the drug is working - you just have to sit back and let it take you where it will take you. There is no afterglow, but once the trip is over you're forever changed by what you saw.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:06 am to
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lmao. not even what it about




I am not talking about what a person is searching for in the experience. I meant more of the delivery system. A vape pen? With DMT what is the difference in "dosage" for a life changing experience or a "bath salt" experience?

My loose understanding of DMT is that its a one hit type thing, and hold on for the experience.
Posted by IdahoTiger
San Diego, CA
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:19 am to
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Some would argue that the realm you described is the “real world” of total perception while waking life is the agreed upon, filtered, mass hallucinated dream world...


This is very interesting and makes sense. I've just come to accept that no one truly understands the human experience and what large existence we're a part of, but DMT can give us a small glimpse into that "real world." I've only had one glimpse, so it's hard to even make sense of it, but I do remember a feeling during my trip that's hard to put into words. That feeling was more profound than the actual visuals themselves. I can only describe the feeling as what I thought when I experienced it. I remember thinking "Oh wow this is what it's all about." The whole experienced happened so fast, as in right after I inhaled the DMT, so I initially interpreted this feeling as I was now dead and this is what must come after life. But shortly after I forgot I even existed, which is a hard feeling to explain.

Out of my group of 8 friends who did DMT that night, only me and one other "broke through." My friend who broke through after me had a bad trip and I hate he had to go through it, but it was good to have someone there to understand what I was talking about. If you've never "broken through" to the other side, people think you're crazy.
Posted by Manzielathon
Death Valley
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:24 am to
Couldn’t tell you specific dosage but you are right about it more or less being a one hit type thing.

First hit I ever took, my eyes instantly shut and it felt like I was going unconscious. I leaned forward as I dealt with the insane head rush I got, my friends through a big arse blanket on me so it was complete darkness, then I got shot through a fricking pinhole at the speed of light and felt like I was hauling arse through the vast emptiness of the universe watching all the millions of distant stars shining in the distance drown in the pitch black eternity. Lol

I didn’t see patterns, colors, other beings, or anything like that ... so maybe I didn’t take enough. But it was still the craziest 15 minutes of my life.
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