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re: New Orleans City Council Passes Smoking Ban
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:02 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:02 pm to fightin tigers
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And it is when you do something that endangers me that I give a shite
So I shouldn't be able to ride wheelies on a motorcycle at my house.
Go for it
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:02 pm to Tigerpaw123
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Go for it
Well, what keeps you from being injured by me doing a legal, yet dangerous, activity on my private property?
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:06 pm to fightin tigers
I am assuming your private property is not open for business and I would be breaking a law (trespassing) to be there in the first place
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:07 pm to Tigerpaw123
A bar is a PRIVATE establishment. I don't get what those that argue about this don't get. PRIVATE.
Have the right to refuse service.
PUBLIC establishments are different.
Hotels and places that serve FOOD are not allowed to discriminate. A BAR can decide that no one wearing green shirts are allowed in their place of business.
Please people. I think the vast majority on this board are intelligent but you guys seemed a little blind on "smoking". It. Is. Not. About. Smoking.
Have the right to refuse service.
PUBLIC establishments are different.
Hotels and places that serve FOOD are not allowed to discriminate. A BAR can decide that no one wearing green shirts are allowed in their place of business.
Please people. I think the vast majority on this board are intelligent but you guys seemed a little blind on "smoking". It. Is. Not. About. Smoking.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:08 pm to Tigerpaw123
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am assuming your private property is not open for business and I would be breaking a law (trespassing) to be there in the first place
Private Property is private property.
You are welcome to stop by, I don't have a No Tresspessin' sign if that is what you are asking.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:11 pm to Tigerpaw123
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Unless it is a private club the owner better have a damn good reason to kick somone out, unless he wants a discrimination lawsuit
Um, do you think bars and restaurants are not privately owned?
And yes, if you're black you have a point. Otherwise, a bar owner can legally throw you out at his leisure.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:13 pm to rintintin
Interstate commerce doe
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:14 pm to rintintin
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And yes, if you're black you have a point. Otherwise, a bar owner can legally throw you out at his leisure.
Smokers/non smokers are not a legally protected class. So they can be tossed.
Not the point of the problem with this law though.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:16 pm to tigerpimpbot
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nterstate commerce doe
Fo realz
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:22 pm to rintintin
If you are a business even if privately owned, you can't just refuse customers for no reason. Bars aren't private clubs even if privately owned. They are public venues if they serve the public.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:24 pm to fightin tigers
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Not the point of the problem with this law though
I was just responding to his post saying he "has the right" to be in private establishments, and smokers shouldn't be able to smoke up his air.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:26 pm to tigerpimpbot
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If you are a business even if privately owned, you can't just refuse customers for no reason.
yes you can
you just can't refuse service for behavior deemed discriminatory by fedgov in various anti-discrimination laws
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:27 pm to tigerpimpbot
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If you are a business even if privately owned, you can't just refuse customers for no reason
This is somewhat laughable.
There is no admittance all the time for petty shite. No doubt something can be found.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:28 pm to tigerpimpbot
quote:They should be able to.
If you are a business even if privately owned, you can't just refuse customers for no reason. Bars aren't private clubs even if privately owned. They are public venues if they serve the public.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:29 pm to TigerBait1127
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A fallacy appears.
An arse appears.
I might not have your papers of higher education but if you can't understand that one group of people trying to dictate to another group of people how they should live their life is wrong I can't do anything for you.
Private vs Public. Sorry if I missed some logic classes. I'd still defend you any day of the week if ya wanted to burn a flag. Don't agree with it. But would defend your right to do so in a PRIVATE establishment.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:30 pm to tigerpimpbot
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If you are a business even if privately owned, you can't just refuse customers for no reason.
Legally they have the right to refuse service to anyone. There has to be a reason, but it doesn't have to be a super serious reason. See dress codes at bars as example.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:31 pm to Winkface
The communists win again.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:32 pm to fightin tigers
I have no problem with the government disincentivising something that drives up everyone's healthcare premiums. You can still go smoke outside Jesus, crime me a river.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
No, you have to have a legitimate reason. It doesn't have to be constitutionally protected, but it has to be legitimate. No opened toed shoes is legit reason and there are many other examples, but a business can't just refuse without a reason. If you advise business clients that, you are walking a fine line and opening them up to potential liability.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 10:35 pm to Mudge87
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I have no problem with the government disincentivising something that drives up everyone's healthcare premiums. You can still go smoke outside Jesus, crime me a river.
Start eating grass. Your Big Mac habit is costing me money.
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