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Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:05 pm to lsunurse
I agree. My favorite bar here went no smoking on September 1, 2014. They have not seen one dollar of a drop in business.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:05 pm to Guava Jelly
You, along with most everyone who likes this ban, are seeing it as just a ban on smoking.
The government is telling a private owner that a LEGAL activity is not aloud at their property. This time it's smoking, next time it could be anything.
For the record I do not like smoking and do not support smoking. But I do believe in people's liberties, and with that they can do what they want, within the law.
The government is telling a private owner that a LEGAL activity is not aloud at their property. This time it's smoking, next time it could be anything.
For the record I do not like smoking and do not support smoking. But I do believe in people's liberties, and with that they can do what they want, within the law.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:06 pm to fightin tigers
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If they lose a dollar it is a shame
There is no competition to pull business away. People will not stop going to bars, restaurants and casinos because they can't smoke inside.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:08 pm to Guava Jelly
The businesses will be fine financially.
For me it's the principle of our rights and liberties being infringed upon.
For me it's the principle of our rights and liberties being infringed upon.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:08 pm to Guava Jelly
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The central argument here is that disallowing a person to smoke inside a business infringes upon that person's right to live his life as he sees fit.
no. you people keep mis-stating the argument in this manner to get to this
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While it may be true that it is an infringement for the smoking public, isn't it also an infringement on the liberties of non-smokers who choose to live a smoke-free life to be subjected to others' smoke?
which is being intellectually dishonest
this is about the rights of PROPERTY OWNERS to make this decision. there is no infringement on anyone, because no person can force you onto that property.
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Again, isn't this infringing on the rights of non-smoker patrons who want to go in but can't?
not at all. i wouldn't expect to be able to smoke in their house if they forbade me, nor would i expect them to get the government to stop allowing me to let people to smoke in my home. how can you infringe a right of a person when they aren't forced to partake in the activity? how can that infringe upon ANYTHING?
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Don't argue that disallowing smoking is an infringement of civil liberties of smokers when the very act of smoking is an infringement upon the liberties of others.
you crafted this argument on a stack of lies with intellectual dishonesty as a mortar
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:09 pm to rlebl39
I don't care what color of the political spectrum you call home, the interests of businesses should never be placed above the interests of private individuals.
The presence of smoking in bars infringes upon the rights of private individuals who choose not to smoke.
The presence of smoking in bars infringes upon the rights of private individuals who choose not to smoke.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:10 pm to lsunurse
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Hell...many times when you go to the bars/clubs here one of the best places to be is the smoking patio areas...they have them set up so nicely now to attract more people and to accommodate smokers.
well that's great IF you have the ability to do this. to everyone else? government just picked a winner, and you're the loser
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:11 pm to Guava Jelly
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People will not stop going to bars, restaurants and casinos because they can't smoke inside.
why don't we let the market sort this out?
why involve government?
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:11 pm to Guava Jelly
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There is no competition to pull business away. People will not stop going to bars, restaurants and casinos because they can't smoke inside.
There competition were smoke free bars. They offered a service other places weren't. Now, that service has been deemed illegal to offer for little reason.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:12 pm to Guava Jelly
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There is no competition to pull business away. People will not stop going to bars, restaurants and casinos because they can't smoke inside.
I did. And, I live on the north shore and won't go to NOLA near as much anymore. That's why I went there, cause its new Orleans, a place to party. So, you are wrong. Care to spin my answer?
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:12 pm to Guava Jelly
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The presence of smoking in bars infringes upon the rights of private individuals who choose not to smoke.
I have never been forced into a bar I didn't want to go in to.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:12 pm to Guava Jelly
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the interests of businesses should never be placed above the interests of private individuals.
who do you think constitutes businesses? robots? ghosts? aliens?
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The presence of smoking in bars infringes upon the rights of private individuals who choose not to smoke.
a. cite me this right
b. this would only be true if they were physically forced to be in the area of smoking. they aren't, so this makes no sense
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:12 pm to Guava Jelly
Ok but what about the people who do choose to smoke?
Not all bars are smoker friendly..
Not all bars are smoker friendly..
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:14 pm to Guava Jelly
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the interests of businesses should never be placed above the interests of private individuals.
Businesses cater to what individuals want. Some bars allowed smoking because that's what people wanted.
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The presence of smoking in bars infringes upon the rights of private individuals who choose not to smoke.
Sushi restaurants infringe on my right as someone who doesn't like seafood. See how fricking retarded that sounds? There are plenty of restaurants that serve things other than seafood, and there were plenty of bars that were smoke free.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:15 pm to rlebl39
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Not all bars are smoker friendly..
It is illegal to be smoker friendly now.
frick their rights.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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who do you think constitutes businesses? robots? ghosts? aliens?
Private institutions? Organizations?
Take your pick. We're not going to jump into the argument of the personhood of private establishments.
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a. cite me this right
See the right to life. (don't bother arguing that the science isn't there to support smoking not causing a bevvy of respiratory disease, it doesn't hold water and you know it).
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this would only be true if they were physically forced to be in the area of smoking. they aren't, so this makes no sense
See the right freedom of movement. Telling patrons or employees to "go somewhere else" is a restriction of that right.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:20 pm to Guava Jelly
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See the right freedom of movement. Telling patrons or employees to "go somewhere else" is a restriction of that right
So now private businesses don't have the right to refuse services?
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:20 pm to Guava Jelly
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See the right freedom of movement. Telling patrons or employees to "go somewhere else" is a restriction of that right.
What's your address? I need to use your shitter.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:21 pm to THRILLHO
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What's your address? I need to use your shitter.
frick it, I'm going in to sleep next to his wife. I'm a snuggler.
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