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re: New Infrastructure Spending Plan likely means a NOLA -Baton Rouge passenger rail link

Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:23 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:23 pm to
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They are a bit locked in by what is available railway wise. There would have to be secondary transportation (CATS in this case) to get them to where they need to be. CATS has been gutted because they provide shite service, and I won't defend them as not needing serious inprovement.


CATS to their job makes sense. But that’s more time.
And CATS had not been gutted. Their revenues were doubled by a recent tax BR passed.

Government St at 14 is not Downtown. Any terminal not in Downtown BR is in the wrong place. It’s obvious. That part of the plan is flawed.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:25 pm to
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The train wouldn’t help folks in Houma or Hammond.


No, not this train that they’ve been talking about for years now. But if Louisiana wants to come into the 21st century - it should be thinking of ways to improve the area and getting people to places where they should be - instead of just being a victim and not doing anything

If the train between BR and NOLA could work - it could open a lot of possibilities for all of south Louisiana
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:29 pm to
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If the train between BR and NOLA could work - it could open a lot of possibilities for all of south Louisiana



Try tax reform, no state income tax, cut out sll the special exemptions, etc.

Try building better roads and highways. Use the dollars we have to help the most people.

La. has real problems that ten trains won’t cure.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:29 pm to
Was not aware of CATS getting that funding. When I left BR there was the huge uproar on canceling routes elsewhere in the parish for more downtown routes and who was paying yada yada.

Maybe a light rail down the new skinny government street is the solution.

Seriously though, getting door to door service is going to be hard. It could stop at Catfish town and people would want it to go to the Capitol or Towne Centre. There will likely have to be secondary transportation, or maybe an eventual upgrade to turn the route and actually end it downtown.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:30 pm to
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If the train between BR and NOLA could work - it could open a lot of possibilities for all of south Louisiana


Give us specific examples of these possibilities
Posted by KickPuncher
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754 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:31 pm to
Sorry I'm not a poor?
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:33 pm to
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La. has real problems that ten trains won’t cure.


Not disagreeing on that. The problem is the politicians lining their pockets and their buddies’ pockets.

Trains won’t cure any of the problems that you mentioned but it will cut out a big excuse of not being able to find work and not being able to get to work. Of course you can’t force anyone to get a job or to get on a train.
Posted by KickPuncher
Member since Jun 2020
754 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:35 pm to
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The METRA trains I take when not working from home hold about about 1500 people each. Wouldn't shock me if the average income of those train riders is substantially higher than the wealthiest zip code in Louisiana. And likely far more educated.

Yeah but isn't LA like one of the worst if not the worst state in the US? Not really saying much as they are well below avg. But dat Phase 3 doe!
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:43 pm to
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Give us specific examples of these possibilities


Be creative - read my above posts

If the train between BR and NOLA could work - a whole system could be built to other smaller cities (like elsewhere in the country)

It would be easier to get to jobs and higher education. There are jobs with different companies in BR and NOLA but rents are sky high. It would give people opportunities to work in a city with jobs but able to live where they are without the constant expense of a car. Or the huge expense of commuting.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:44 pm to
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Was not aware of CATS getting that funding. When I left BR there was the huge uproar on canceling routes elsewhere in the parish for more downtown routes and who was paying yada yada.

Maybe a light rail down the new skinny government street is the solution.

Seriously though, getting door to door service is going to be hard. It could stop at Catfish town and people would want it to go to the Capitol or Towne Centre. There will likely have to be secondary transportation, or maybe an eventual upgrade to turn the route and actually end it downtown.


They just let the city vote and their funded doubled.

Find where the jobs are that these commuters are going to go to and take that into account before you build a new terminal no one will use.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76067 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:46 pm to
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It would give people opportunities to work in a city with jobs but able to live where they are without the constant expense of a car. Or the huge expense of commuting.



There are many in this thread that underestimate the costs of owning and operating a car for commuting purposes.

Even jobs like draftsman or executive assistant are not high paying, but are significantly higher paid in NOLA than outlying areas.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 10:47 pm
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:48 pm to
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There are many in this thread that underestimate the costs of owning and operating a car for commuting purposes


Yup. I grew up in the city of NOLA - we didn’t have a car until I was in high school. If you don’t live with good public transportation it’s hard to imagine it’s benefits
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:52 pm to
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Unlike METRA, both ends of this rail line will be book ended by cities with employment centers within walking distance. The intermediate stops will be traditional commuter rail platforms with parking lots because they aren't walkable. That's very typical for commuter lines through suburban areas.

Amtrak =/= METRA

This plan for BR/Nola is Amtrak. There won’t be stops along the route.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175421 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:55 pm to
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The proposed Baton Rouge to New Orleans Amtrak line would include many of the elements recommended in a 2014 rail study, commissioned by BRAF, the Capital Region Planning Commission and the New Orleans Regional Planning Commission. There would be stations near the Electric Depot on Government Street and in the Bluebonnet-Essen-Perkins medical district, both in Baton Rouge, in Gonzales, LaPlace and at Louis Armstrong International Airport, with the final stop at the Union Passenger Terminal near the Superdome.

I’ll believe it when I see it. Because that’s not how Amtrak operates.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:57 pm to
I'm not following what you are saying. Are you saying Amtrak is only point to point with no stops?
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175421 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:01 pm to
The Nola-BR route is part of a plan to connect Nola to Dallas via Amtrak route. The Amtrak train running the route from Nola to Shreveport/Dallas isn’t going to make 5 intermediate stops on the way to BR.

Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76067 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:06 pm to
Correct. Then the commuter route is built on that connection.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 4/5/21 at 12:28 am to
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I’ll believe it when I see it. Because that’s not how Amtrak operates.



Right, but that's how Louisiana operates. Any passenger rail would have to have stops by key peoples' developments.

BRAF has a private for-profit corporation that has interest in land and buildings in and around the medical district. They would need a stop there in order to get full support. So would some developer in Ascension.

These stops will doom its use for daily commute for work because it'll take too long, but that's the way it will be.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 12:36 am
Posted by CrazyTigerFan
Member since Nov 2003
3548 posts
Posted on 4/5/21 at 1:46 am to
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Government St at 14 is not Downtown. Any terminal not in Downtown BR is in the wrong place. It’s obvious. That part of the plan is flawed.
It's a 2 mile drive to the State Capitol (just north of downtown), 1.5 miles to the IBM building (northwest downtown), the DOTD headquarters (northeast downtown), or the Water Campus (just southeast of downtown), 1.3 miles to the Hilton Capitol Center or the River Center (east downtown), and 0.7 miles to the Chevron office (central downtown). So pretty much all of Downtown Baton Rouge is accessible within a 2 mile Uber, about 5 minutes driving or a 30 minute walk (40 minutes at a leisurely pace). That's not a flawed location, that's pretty damned good access to the entire area.

Outside of downtown, it's a 3.5 mile drive to Tiger Stadium, 3 miles to the Student Union, 2.5 miles to the LSU Law Center or to BRCC, 2 miles to the Perkins overpass, 1.5 miles to CHS and SJA (east of downtown) or to Knock Knock Children's Museum in the park, and 0.9 miles to BRMHS. I give these distances as points of reference so anyone can figure out which businesses and neighborhoods are in that same range. This is also things that are there now and not things which could potentially be there with access to improved transit.

Downtown BR also has the "trolley" and several CATS routes for people who are so inclined to use that instead of just walking. LSU / CATS could add a connecting bus route to the LSU Tiger Trails system easily enough. It's actually half a mile shorter to the Union (2.5 miles) or Tiger Stadium (3 miles) if you walk (1 hour) or bike (15 minutes) using Dalrymple, too. That's shorter than a walk around the lakes (which is 4 miles, 1 hour and 20 minutes). Sure, the plan to have street car/light rail between Government and Tiger Stadium and along Government to BRCC or Independence Park would have been more ideal, but Broome and company killed that proposal in 2018.
Posted by solus
Member since Dec 2019
3568 posts
Posted on 4/5/21 at 2:22 am to
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Have you ever been on a highspeed train in Europe or Asia?

Far from the 1800s railroads



You do realize that European countries are small as shite. Their rail infrastructure is not as extensive and costly for those reasons.
No matter how fast a train will go across the US, it will still be much slower than a plane. The US is huge. Spain is not. High speed rail makes the most sense in connecting their cities with towns
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