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Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:58 pm to WillieD
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AgLogistics say that they are here legally... Nobody else wants to do this work
(Edit: I am replacing “skilled” with “professional” in my original post to avoid any confusion. I did a stupid and didn’t realize that skilled (ie, licensed and/ or specialized academic training) doesn’t automatically equate to professional outside of economist speak.)
Ah, yes, the old "we can't find professional workers, we need more visas" lie. This "program" needs to end yesterday. No professional domestic worker, from CDL truck driver to computer engineer, can afford to compete with visa holders that will work for pennies on the dollar, and in some cases below minimum wage (this happens when workers are paid in a complex piece-rate manner, under recording the hours workers worked, refusing to pay over-time wages, and making illegal deductions from workers’ pay, like charging them for room and board when the employer is legally required to provide free housing and meals to workers). A lot of times, professional foreign workers never actually make any money because they arrive in debt to recruiters.
Ever wonder why there's wage stagnation in so many professions? This is why. The whole professional visa guest worker program bullshite is a scam and drives down US wages, and is actually bad for the foreign professional workers as well.
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 12:01 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:02 pm to MarciMoshes
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trailer is required to have a cdl class A no matter the reason is. Many of the sugar mills are using these same trucks(day cabs) to haul their crop with drivers who do not hold a cdl license and they drive on our state hwys and interstates. Very illegal.
You can repeat it all you want. You’re still wrong. All a farm worker needs is a a valid drivers license as long as they’re operating within a 100 mile radius
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:06 pm to AcadieAnne
Of all the dumb takes in this thread this one might take the cake your opinion is so far from the truth. At the end of the day no Americans want to run crawfish traps and work on the farm period so H2A is the only way
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:06 pm to AcadieAnne
Our migrant workers aren’t working for Pennies on the dollar. They’re making nearly $20/hr. And we provide housing/utilities at our expense. And a vehicle
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:07 pm to SWLA92
I meant CDL truck drivers. Running crawfish traps and working on farms is not skilled work. I should go back and clarify that. I was wondering what I said that was so upsetting. My bad.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:14 pm to AcadieAnne
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"we can't find skilled workers, we need more visas"
It’s more like nobody applies for the positions except through H2A.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:18 pm to tiger91
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Our migrant workers aren’t working for Pennies on the dollar. They’re making nearly $20/hr. And we provide housing/utilities at our expense. And a vehicle
You are one in thousands, and I sincerely applaud you for doing right by your workers. My bad if my post was insulting.
I think I've done one of those stupids where I think everyone knows what a "skilled worker" is (in economist terms, someone who holds a professional license and/or academic training to perform a job). It isn't just someone who is good at their job tasks. Like "human capital" rubs people the wrong way, but it isn't as bad as it sounds.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:35 pm to WillieD
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It’s more like nobody applies for the positions except through H2A.
And H1B. In the context of what I meant, a "skilled worker" is someone with a professional license and /or academic training to do a job. Not someone who is merely good at a job. I think I shite what I meant all up.
Edit: But if a job pays less than unemployment, what incentive is there to take the job? If an employer can find licensed/ specially trained guest workers to work for less than what a domestic worker will work for, what is the incentive to raise the offered wage? It's like an ouroboros.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:49 pm to AcadieAnne
Louisiana unemployment is something like 3%. I’m still not sure what point you are trying to make.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:55 pm to WillieD
My point is professional domestic workers won’t take a job they will lose money on in the short run. Guest workers will take those jobs, even if they don’t actually make any money in the long run. Employers want to pay less. That’s it. That’s my point.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:21 pm to MarciMoshes
I am not justifying what happened at all, but before drivers could make more money in other industries, those with a CDL used to drive like a bat out of hell because time was literally money for them and have caused wrecks in which people were killed. It was a huge problem on HWY 1 when the mill in Brusly was still open.
But now, for someone in the US to work for sugarcane farmers, they would have to be willing to work a shite job that only last from September - December making minimum wage. In 30 years the sugarcane industry will be almost dead. The amount of land that has been sold over the past 10-15 years, that used to be sugar cane fields at least points in that direction.
But now, for someone in the US to work for sugarcane farmers, they would have to be willing to work a shite job that only last from September - December making minimum wage. In 30 years the sugarcane industry will be almost dead. The amount of land that has been sold over the past 10-15 years, that used to be sugar cane fields at least points in that direction.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:34 pm to MarciMoshes
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Her name was revealed but the driver of the 18 wheeler WAS NOT. Why?
Because he's neither dead nor under arrest. This is normal.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:39 pm to LordSaintly
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Because he's neither dead nor under arrest. This is normal
And if she is a principal, she is known in the community and it was informing people, but it was probably all over social media right after it happened. I don't understand what the OP is trying to point out.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:39 pm to MarciMoshes
A friend of mine told me about this post, so I thought I would get on here and clear up a little misinformation. I have lived in the area and know many of the people involved in the situation.
1) The farm equipment in the accident was not a tractor-trailer or 18 wheeler. It was an actual field tractor pulling a field cart loaded with sugarcane, which is used when in close proximity to the sugar mill and is not used on major highways/interstates.
2) The driver of the tractor was not a migrant laborer. He was an American and born and raised in Iberia parish.
3) The driver of the tractor had many years of experience operating farm machinery.
This is not meant to spur argument or taking sides. It is simply to clear a few things up that were posted on this thread. This accident was an absolute tragedy and I can’t imagine what the family must be going through. However, the migrant labor, CDL, and 18-wheeler debate doesn’t relate to this incident.
1) The farm equipment in the accident was not a tractor-trailer or 18 wheeler. It was an actual field tractor pulling a field cart loaded with sugarcane, which is used when in close proximity to the sugar mill and is not used on major highways/interstates.
2) The driver of the tractor was not a migrant laborer. He was an American and born and raised in Iberia parish.
3) The driver of the tractor had many years of experience operating farm machinery.
This is not meant to spur argument or taking sides. It is simply to clear a few things up that were posted on this thread. This accident was an absolute tragedy and I can’t imagine what the family must be going through. However, the migrant labor, CDL, and 18-wheeler debate doesn’t relate to this incident.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 3:45 pm
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