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Posted on 6/30/17 at 2:08 am to TheArrogantCorndog
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Right... I don't think we have enough information
It should be easy enough to prove (using login time stamps) if he did or didn't develop and test the software on company time... either way, if he plays his cards right, he can come out on top
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What are the exceptions to the rule that the creator of a work owns the copyright? Copyrights are generally owned by the people who create the works of expression, with some important exceptions: If a work is created by an employee in the course of his or her employment, the employer owns the copyright.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 2:26 am to redstick13
Welp... looks like we have the answer... poor bastard
Posted on 6/30/17 at 2:31 am to The Baker
Intentionally hiding it is the only thing unethical here. They let you work remotely and expect job X to be completed and for that they pay him Y. Both sides are doing what was agreed upon nothing wrong with becoming more efficient.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 4:59 am to The Baker
I don't think it is particularly unethical, but he isn't moving forward in his career staying with that company anyway. He ought to be looking elsewhere for employment and then when he's about to leave can tell them "Hey, I automated everything, here's how it works" and leave on good terms.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 5:16 am to The Baker
Most weeks I work maybe 10 real hours and screw off rest of time.
Seems like down time in office is pretty common
Seems like down time in office is pretty common
Posted on 6/30/17 at 6:21 am to The Baker
Anything that involves dishonesty is unethical.
You're looking at this the wrong way. You took a cumbersome process this company uses that involves lots of time, people, and money, and automated it down to 10 minutes. Something tells me that is a much more marketable skill than simply maintaining a database, if you play your cards right. Build a new resume based around that and play up what you did. Or, even better if you can stand the risk, start your own company as a contractor. Tell your employer what you've done, too, so that a) you're no longer being unethical, and b) they can be a strong reference for you. When they hear what you've done and that you're planning to leave, they might even offer you a better position to stay. You never know.
Whatever you do, don't wait for the company to figure out what you're doing on their own. That kills all of your leverage.
You're looking at this the wrong way. You took a cumbersome process this company uses that involves lots of time, people, and money, and automated it down to 10 minutes. Something tells me that is a much more marketable skill than simply maintaining a database, if you play your cards right. Build a new resume based around that and play up what you did. Or, even better if you can stand the risk, start your own company as a contractor. Tell your employer what you've done, too, so that a) you're no longer being unethical, and b) they can be a strong reference for you. When they hear what you've done and that you're planning to leave, they might even offer you a better position to stay. You never know.
Whatever you do, don't wait for the company to figure out what you're doing on their own. That kills all of your leverage.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 6:25 am to The Baker
I would ride the train as long as I could. They're getting what they want.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 6:30 am to The Baker
Tell the company you've developed a program that can do everyone's job in that department in 10 minutes, saving the company tons of money and time. You'll sell it to them for a handsome price.
Profit
Profit
Posted on 6/30/17 at 6:36 am to The Baker
No problem if he's salary. But I'd parlay coming up with the fix into something better.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 6:39 am to Kvothe
It's not his code to sell. It belongs to the company.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 6:43 am to The Baker
Copyright the program and sell it to them
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:01 am to dirtsandwich
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It is unethical for several reasons the most obvious of which is the dishonesty on his part.
Is his job not getting done? They pay him to do a job and I'd imagine he is a salary employee.
I am a salary employee and it doesn't matter if it takes me 10 hours or 80 hours, the owners of my company want results and routinely tell me to leave early or take a day off when all of my projects are running smoothly.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:02 am to shawnlsu
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Is his job not getting done?
He's intentionally doing a poor job so as not to get caught with the automation.
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I am a salary employee
This is the crux of the situation, IMO.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:09 am to The Baker
Sounds like this guy needs to quit his job and start creating programs for company's with similar needs.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:15 am to slackster
There is not enough information. Is it a bakery, mechanics shop, or telecommunications company? A bakery would have no use for developing, and selling, his program.
We have no way of knowing if him effectively ending his job would lead him to a promotion, more responsibility, and money.
If there is a place for him to move up to he should approach the boss and tell him that he can develop a program that automates his current position and see what is offered.
It sounds as if he is paid to do a job. He is doing his job. Once his job is done the rest of the time is his. If he chooses to develop a program in his time away from his job it does not seem as if it would belong to the company.
He has to think of his future because any company not smart enough to know that a program can run data is probably not going to be in business all that long.
We have no way of knowing if him effectively ending his job would lead him to a promotion, more responsibility, and money.
If there is a place for him to move up to he should approach the boss and tell him that he can develop a program that automates his current position and see what is offered.
It sounds as if he is paid to do a job. He is doing his job. Once his job is done the rest of the time is his. If he chooses to develop a program in his time away from his job it does not seem as if it would belong to the company.
He has to think of his future because any company not smart enough to know that a program can run data is probably not going to be in business all that long.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:20 am to jmarto1
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Copyright the program and sell it to them
Sigh
The company legally owns the code since it was created for the purpose of company use and in the course of company time
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:23 am to The Baker
frick the company. He needs to keep doing what he does.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:23 am to Skinner
The company who was paying for those results (and that time) for which he create different a program to do the job (again, on the company's time). The company owns the program and has a right to know of its existence and have access to it.
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