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re: Net neutrality devil's advocate
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:55 pm to Evolved Simian
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:55 pm to Evolved Simian
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You think four instances of throttling is worth punishing thousands of companies that weren't involved?
Those are just the ones we know about. I'm sure if anybody with the cash flow did some digging, they would find more.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:57 pm to Evolved Simian
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No, they weren't. A small number of providers were caught throttling a few high data use sites. None were trying to control information.
One of those is Comcast, but we see no refuting pieces in the MSM on PewDiePie despite the fact every single independent creator knows he was framed. That one story brought down YouTube.
If 60 Minutes had any real credibility, this would be a gold mine of a story that would win a Peabody Award calling out the Wall Street Journal for being a bunch of liars. But even they won't do it, because they're a member of the Big Six. They are out to lobotomize the internet and you have to be incredibly stupid or corrupt to say otherwise.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:02 am to Evolved Simian
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No, they weren't. A small number of providers were caught throttling a few high data use sites
They are now open charging for high usage instead of throttling, Imagine if your grandparents couldn't watch Mr. Ed, had to pay extra for it, or if they had to wait for it to buffer.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 12:02 am
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:10 am to DoUrden
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Imagine if your grandparents couldn't watch Mr. Ed, had to pay extra for it, or if they had to wait for it to buffer.
Kind of like a la carte tv? It's probably the wave of the future
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Kind of like a la carte tv? It's probably the wave of the future
What does a la carte have to do with bandwidth, you mean they can take kick backs to block or throttle stuff that they deem unworthy? It's monetary censorship.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 12:15 am
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:16 am to DoUrden
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you mean they can take kick backs to block or throttle stuff that they deem unworthy?
The television industry is built doing just that.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The television industry is built doing just that.
The Net is more than just TV, in fact that's a drop in the bucket. Like your podcast, well pay more for it because they don't give kickbacks to the right people.
What's worse is that sites would have to pay kickbacks to multiple providers just for the luxury of the "listeners" to pay extra to get it.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:26 am to DoUrden
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This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:28 am to DoUrden
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What's worse is that sites would have to pay kickbacks to multiple providers just for the luxury of the "listeners" to pay extra to get it.
Well, they aren't kickbacks. It's a fee.
I doubt small time websites would be affected. Probably just bandwidth monsters like Netflix, etc
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:18 am to DoUrden
I see a lot of supposed internet experts in this thread, but not a single mention of peering or CDNs.
Which tells me you all are just Reddit parrots.
Which tells me you all are just Reddit parrots.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:32 am to Centinel
We also didn't talk about the implications of the applications of recently deployed DOCSIS 3.1 and how it will dramatically improve service quality of high end applications in the last mile without the high expense of FTTH, even though it's more relevant to the discussion by several orders of magnitude than that shite.
Which is sad, because DOCSIS and FTTH doesn't really have anything to do with the topic either.
But you stick that pinkie up while you sip that morning Earl Grey, you aloof intellectual badass you.
Which is sad, because DOCSIS and FTTH doesn't really have anything to do with the topic either.
But you stick that pinkie up while you sip that morning Earl Grey, you aloof intellectual badass you.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:59 am to Evolved Simian
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Again, it's ridiculous overreach that negatively affected over 2,500 providers who weren't throttling. Applying an act made to take on a single telephone company to thousands of small businesses was absolutely not the right call.
Those 2,500 other companies account for less than 10% of broadband users. That's worth noting when dismissing the handful of large ISP's as simply a single company.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 5:02 am to Evolved Simian
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It's amazing that you guys would sacrifice all competition just to prevent six or seven companies from making more money than they already are.
I don't care how much money they make overall. I care about how much of my money they make.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 5:05 am to Evolved Simian
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A small number of providers were caught throttling a few high data use sites.
That "small number of providers" provides the vast majority of bandwidth.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:32 am to Evolved Simian
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Christ, you people are clueless. There are at least a couple of hundred small broadband providers in the US. THEY are the ones harmed most by the NN regulations because of the increased costs.
I work for small ISP. Tell me again how I'm clueless
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 6:33 am
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:39 am to fightin tigers
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Tell us how it was done back in the stone ages grand-pop
MASSIVE government subsidies. Small telcos only survived back in the day because of subsidies. Those are going away, slowly but surely.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 6:40 am
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:43 am to Volvagia
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We also didn't talk about the implications of the applications of recently deployed DOCSIS 3.1 and how it will dramatically improve service quality of high end applications in the last mile without the high expense of FTTH, even though it's more relevant to the discussion by several orders of magnitude than that shite. Which is sad, because DOCSIS and FTTH doesn't really have anything to do with the topic either. But you stick that pinkie up while you sip that morning Earl Grey, you aloof intellectual badass you.
this post is absolute money
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:05 am to Centinel
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I see a lot of supposed internet experts in this thread, but not a single mention of peering or CDNs.
Da frick did I just read
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