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re: Net neutrality devil's advocate

Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:55 pm to
Posted by brass2mouth
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:55 pm to
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You think four instances of throttling is worth punishing thousands of companies that weren't involved?


Those are just the ones we know about. I'm sure if anybody with the cash flow did some digging, they would find more.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:57 pm to
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No, they weren't. A small number of providers were caught throttling a few high data use sites. None were trying to control information.



One of those is Comcast, but we see no refuting pieces in the MSM on PewDiePie despite the fact every single independent creator knows he was framed. That one story brought down YouTube.

If 60 Minutes had any real credibility, this would be a gold mine of a story that would win a Peabody Award calling out the Wall Street Journal for being a bunch of liars. But even they won't do it, because they're a member of the Big Six. They are out to lobotomize the internet and you have to be incredibly stupid or corrupt to say otherwise.
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:02 am to
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No, they weren't. A small number of providers were caught throttling a few high data use sites


They are now open charging for high usage instead of throttling, Imagine if your grandparents couldn't watch Mr. Ed, had to pay extra for it, or if they had to wait for it to buffer.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 12:02 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:10 am to
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Imagine if your grandparents couldn't watch Mr. Ed, had to pay extra for it, or if they had to wait for it to buffer.



Kind of like a la carte tv? It's probably the wave of the future
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:14 am to
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Kind of like a la carte tv? It's probably the wave of the future



What does a la carte have to do with bandwidth, you mean they can take kick backs to block or throttle stuff that they deem unworthy? It's monetary censorship.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 12:15 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:16 am to
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you mean they can take kick backs to block or throttle stuff that they deem unworthy?


The television industry is built doing just that.
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:19 am to
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The television industry is built doing just that.


The Net is more than just TV, in fact that's a drop in the bucket. Like your podcast, well pay more for it because they don't give kickbacks to the right people.

What's worse is that sites would have to pay kickbacks to multiple providers just for the luxury of the "listeners" to pay extra to get it.
Posted by culsutiger
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:26 am to
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Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:28 am to
Gotcha and done.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:28 am to
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What's worse is that sites would have to pay kickbacks to multiple providers just for the luxury of the "listeners" to pay extra to get it.


Well, they aren't kickbacks. It's a fee.

I doubt small time websites would be affected. Probably just bandwidth monsters like Netflix, etc
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:33 am to
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:18 am to
I see a lot of supposed internet experts in this thread, but not a single mention of peering or CDNs.

Which tells me you all are just Reddit parrots.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52917 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:32 am to
We also didn't talk about the implications of the applications of recently deployed DOCSIS 3.1 and how it will dramatically improve service quality of high end applications in the last mile without the high expense of FTTH, even though it's more relevant to the discussion by several orders of magnitude than that shite.

Which is sad, because DOCSIS and FTTH doesn't really have anything to do with the topic either.

But you stick that pinkie up while you sip that morning Earl Grey, you aloof intellectual badass you.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37562 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:59 am to
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Again, it's ridiculous overreach that negatively affected over 2,500 providers who weren't throttling. Applying an act made to take on a single telephone company to thousands of small businesses was absolutely not the right call.


Those 2,500 other companies account for less than 10% of broadband users. That's worth noting when dismissing the handful of large ISP's as simply a single company.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37562 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 5:02 am to
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It's amazing that you guys would sacrifice all competition just to prevent six or seven companies from making more money than they already are.

I don't care how much money they make overall. I care about how much of my money they make.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37562 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 5:05 am to
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A small number of providers were caught throttling a few high data use sites.

That "small number of providers" provides the vast majority of bandwidth.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:32 am to
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Christ, you people are clueless. There are at least a couple of hundred small broadband providers in the US. THEY are the ones harmed most by the NN regulations because of the increased costs.


I work for small ISP. Tell me again how I'm clueless
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 6:33 am
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:39 am to
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Tell us how it was done back in the stone ages grand-pop


MASSIVE government subsidies. Small telcos only survived back in the day because of subsidies. Those are going away, slowly but surely.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 6:40 am
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7833 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:43 am to
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We also didn't talk about the implications of the applications of recently deployed DOCSIS 3.1 and how it will dramatically improve service quality of high end applications in the last mile without the high expense of FTTH, even though it's more relevant to the discussion by several orders of magnitude than that shite. Which is sad, because DOCSIS and FTTH doesn't really have anything to do with the topic either. But you stick that pinkie up while you sip that morning Earl Grey, you aloof intellectual badass you.



this post is absolute money
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:05 am to
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I see a lot of supposed internet experts in this thread, but not a single mention of peering or CDNs. 


Da frick did I just read
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