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re: Need Camera Recommendation
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:22 pm to HubbaBubba
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:22 pm to HubbaBubba
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Actually, very good advice. Hard to get great bokah with cheap lenses.
Yeah, also if someone wants full sensor or crop. Lenses go up in price for full sensor cameras.
I've learned it's not just the camera, it's the whole system you're buying into. I've tried Nikon DX and didn't care for it at all
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:25 pm to theantiquetiger
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It took me over 5 years to just understand how to use a DSLR in manual/semi-manual.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You know, I came in here thinking to give a recommendation along the Nikon line, but given his price range your Pentax may be a winner.
The only question I would have (which I'm curious as to your opinions of), would be performance at lower light levels.
The only question I would have (which I'm curious as to your opinions of), would be performance at lower light levels.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:35 pm to Barrister
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Looking to buy a new camera
Once you've decided on what you want, you'd be foolish not to consider used equipment from reputable places like KEH.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Tried that for my daughter and she just felt so frustrated. I finally let her sell it and started allowing her to use my cameras. I have the 7D and the 5DM4. Her favorite lens to shoot with is a 200mm f/2.0 Canon lens with 4 stops of correction. Every girl in her school begs her to go out and shoot poses of them. It's got a drop in filter holder and two stabilization modes, one for normal shots and another for when you're panning (she uses it to shoot her lacrosse team). Found it used on eBay for $1800 (needed repair) and paid Canon another $550 to repair it. New, it goes for over $5 grand, so I'm very pleased with it.
I've tried Nikon DX and didn't care for it at all
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I just recently picked up a Pentax K-70, haven't had much opportunity to use it yet. I will say from my research I couldn't hardly find another camera with compatible features in that price range. Nikon and Canon make excellent cameras but there are other note worthy camera brands out there. I think Roger's pictures speak for themselves with his Fujifilm mirrorless
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:48 pm to Volvagia
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You know, I came in here thinking to give a recommendation along the Nikon line, but given his price range your Pentax may be a winner.
The only question I would have (which I'm curious as to your opinions of), would be performance at lower light levels.
I've had two Pentax cameras and they were much better in low light than my Nikon DX format. Also the build quality was superior and they are weatherized. You get more features for the money. Video is meh, but I rarely shoot video with my cameras
Pentax service is top notch
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:52 pm to Mark Makers
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couldn't hardly find another camera with compatible features in that price
It's insane. It has IBIS, and even Astro photography features. The K-70 is probably the best value camera you can get. It blows away canons Rebel series and Nikons D5xxx series
Posted on 8/12/17 at 12:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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even Astro photography features.
Tell me more....
I do some astro shots on my D750, and while I'm happy, it's far too pricey to do a IR filter retrofit on.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 12:12 am to HubbaBubba
I know.
Running out of time for making a pretty big call:
Use the d750 to take HD wide angle shot video showing the transition of partial eclipse to C2 to totality, or keeping my 800 mm set up hooked up to make it easy for the attempt to take the corona in stills
If I do the latter, I'll record video on a point and shoot, or even the iPhone, but it's not the same....
And this is my only shot for seven years, after which its decades.
Better not be clouds
Running out of time for making a pretty big call:
Use the d750 to take HD wide angle shot video showing the transition of partial eclipse to C2 to totality, or keeping my 800 mm set up hooked up to make it easy for the attempt to take the corona in stills
If I do the latter, I'll record video on a point and shoot, or even the iPhone, but it's not the same....
And this is my only shot for seven years, after which its decades.
Better not be clouds
This post was edited on 8/12/17 at 12:16 am
Posted on 8/12/17 at 12:13 am to Volvagia
Reading more, I think you have to get a separate unit which mounts on the hot shoe to work with the tracking ability. Both astrophotography and image stabilization are operated by sensor shift which Pentax does very well. The optional unit can be purchased fairly cheap, particularly third party or used.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 1:05 am to HubbaBubba
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That's like saying you shouldn't spend a lot of money on great golf clubs unless you're already a great golfer.
Puleeze! Stop with this elitist, "got to learn your craft on mediocre equipment first" BS. That just sounds like YOU couldn't afford it when YOU learned the craft, so to be fair, everyone should do like YOU.
If a modern, state-of-the-art camera creates a really incredible image because the "new" photographer purchased equipment that is great and helps make it easier, sounds like you guys just want to marginalize someone that does that instead of embracing it and understanding how that can lead to more excitement and people developing a yearning to learn the craft. Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
I didn't recommend a mediocre camera, I recommended a very good, mid level camera, a Canon 60D.
That camera takes high quality photos as any high end camera. If I took my 70-200 and put it on a 60D and took a photo, than put the same lens on my professional grade 5D mkiii and took the same shot, you couldn't tell the difference unless you zoomed in to count the pixels.
People ask me all the time what camera they should buy. I always tell them if they want to learn a DSLR, go with a basic Canon Rebel (T3i or what ever they have out now). It's about a $400 camera with a basic kit lens. It can be use in manual and in full auto like a point and shoot. See if they really want to pursue photography before getting deep into a ton of equipment.
Cameras are not like golf clubs. A higher dollar camera doesn't take better photos than a beginner camera, it only allows you to do more things with more features and higher ISO.
DSLR cameras that were professional grade 15 years ago, are now probably lower quality than the mid level cameras now, and they produced unbelievable images.
I started off with a $500 T1i, moved up to a $1200 60D, and now carry a $2500 5Dmkiii. Plus I carry about $3500 in additional equipment (not including lenses I rent).
I actually bought a T3i from a friend and I carry it as a back up with my $2500 camera. I get great shots with it because I'll have one of my high dollar lenses on it. I just know the limitations of the camera, not going to get good low light shots, etc.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 1:57 am to Barrister
Nikon D500
Posted on 8/12/17 at 1:58 am to theantiquetiger
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That camera takes high quality photos as any high end camera.
Maybe under certain conditions, but I'd be leery of ANYONE steering someone from a full frame camera, regardless of their level of interest and enthusiasm, just because they are new.
And I'm sorry, as someone who owns a pricey point n shoot to cover for applications I don't feel comfortable bringing a DSLR (Olympus Tough), you should NEVER be advising anyone who owns a DSLR, regardless of experience level or camera trim, to shoot full auto.
You buy a DSLR for the direct control. If you ever shoot in full auto, just go for the camera phone. They got the megapixels now a days, and what they don't have you'll won't even realize.
The most auto setting I'll use is either fixed shutter or aperture, mostly the latter when I'm snapping shots and I want to bring out the bokeh.
This post was edited on 8/12/17 at 2:00 am
Posted on 8/12/17 at 2:15 am to Volvagia
I don't have any specific recommendations but for anyone new to cameras, don't buy based on megapixels. It is a shitty way to judge image quality. I've still got an old 8MP rebel xt I'd put up against any small sensor camera.
On a similar sized sensor, more megapixels means smaller pixel sites on the sensor which leads to worse low-light performance, worse colors, and worse dynamic range.
Higher price cameras have bigger sensors, more features, and easier access to those features.
Small sensor cameras can be ok in certain situations:
Plenty of light
High depth of field
Medium-tight zoom
If you want sweet bokeh for portraits or good low-light performance you need a bigger sensor, and faster lens. If you want wide angle for landscape you need a bigger sensor.
On a similar sized sensor, more megapixels means smaller pixel sites on the sensor which leads to worse low-light performance, worse colors, and worse dynamic range.
Higher price cameras have bigger sensors, more features, and easier access to those features.
Small sensor cameras can be ok in certain situations:
Plenty of light
High depth of field
Medium-tight zoom
If you want sweet bokeh for portraits or good low-light performance you need a bigger sensor, and faster lens. If you want wide angle for landscape you need a bigger sensor.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 6:03 am to Barrister
quote:False assumption. If you have no idea about composing your photos to begin with, and have no technical sense of things like light balance, shutter speed or ISO, and how these can impact your images, you would be better served by a low end point and shoot Sony, Cannon or Nikon pocket camera, or a smart phone.
I just know that pointing and clicking a better camera is gonna get me better pics than pointing and clicking my iPhone. I
Do yourself a favor and enroll in a beginner photography course at a local camera store, tech school or college before you buy anything expensive.
You need a vocabulary and a frame of reference. Your excitement is commendable; but the cart is before the horse when you assume a great and/or pricey camera will make you a better photographer. Cool your jets just a little, do a little study and research, and then when you know a little more you can buy the camera that will be just right for you and even challenge you to grow even more.
This post was edited on 8/12/17 at 6:11 am
Posted on 8/12/17 at 7:29 am to Barrister
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I just know that pointing and clicking a better camera is gonna get me better pics than pointing and clicking my iPhone.
This is so utterly untrue that you need to go back to square one. The iPhone and most other modern smart phones have more camera than most people need. I'm guessing that, due to your statement above, you fall into the "most people" category.
What do you want to photograph? Why do you think you need 10fps? Without knowing those things, people who give you recommendations are typically just going to fall into the category of people telling you to buy the camera that they have. There are plenty of Nikon, Canon and Sony fanboys out there. Of course, those companies all make top-of-the-line cameras, but you probably don't need a DSLR at this point.
I recommend that you get on eBay and find a rangefinder style, interchangeable lens digital camera with a zoom lens in the wide to short telephoto range.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 7:46 am to BiggerBear
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Of course, those companies all make top-of-the-line cameras, but you probably don't need a DSLR at this point.
The issue with most P&S cameras and certainly with cell phone cameras is the smaller sensor, and it does matter. I mean, if you're taking pictures of people standing still or not so vast landscapes these cameras work. In lower light and action, these cameras do not work very well. Most P&S sensors are 1" and cell phone sensors are even smaller, they are vastly inferior to most DSLR sensors.
An older Canon or Nikon DSLR with a kit lens is as inexpensive as most P&S cameras and the quality is much better than cell phones.
Megapixels is WAY overrated. I found 16 is the sweet spot for me. Unless you're blowing up poster sized images, you'll never need larger than 12 mp
Posted on 8/12/17 at 7:48 am to dbeck
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I've still got an old 8MP rebel xt I'd put up against any small sensor camera.
Easily. I don't even care for the M43 format.
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