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re: Need AA Flight 77 Pentagon Crash Opinion
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:40 pm to SBGRosco
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:40 pm to SBGRosco
quote:You don't have to be credentialed to have an opinion. I only asked so I would know whether or not to give your opinion any actual consideration. You answered that fully.
I’m just Average Joe with a bit of critical thinking. The impact explosions at the 2 towers & the same @ the Pentagon look dramatically different based on all of the footage I’ve ever seen. Do I really have to be credentialed somehow to notice something that seems so obvious to the commoner?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:41 pm to SBGRosco
quote:How many videos do you think there are of the 1st tower being hit by a plane?
or else explain to me how NY has 100’s+ videos of the 2 planes hitting the towers
Surely, you'd understand why there would be a shite ton hitting the 2nd, right?
Back to the 1st one, how many have you ever seen? Now remember that NYC is heavily populated, the WTC was a tourist hot spot in a city of tourists, so you'd expect cameras to be out, and again, how many videos have you actually seen?
Now compare that to the Pentagon. It seems you're comparing life in 2023 where everyone has a cell phone out at all times to life in 2001 when that didn't exist.
quote:But how do you explain missing Flight 77, actual pieces of flight 77 strewn all about around the Pentagon, and actual pictures of body parts and dead bodies in seats of Flight 77 found at the Pentagon? I get your initial question, it's a fair question. But the 3 points I just mentioned would seemingly trump curiosity on how a whole burned logically speaking, no?
I just don’t see evidence of a massive amount of aviation fuel having burned up in that hole.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:44 pm to SBGRosco
quote:I"m not sure the blasts were all that different? But even if not, I'm sure there's a lot of logical explanations for this that have already been given.
Based on what we saw of the twin towers impacts/explosions, there should’ve been one hell of a larger explosion here upon impact & then a significant burn thereafter.
Also, 1 had firefights on scene I'd imagine in just a couple of minutes to contain the burn. The other burned for, what, 1-2 hours with zero ability for attempts at containment, does that not explain the difference you're asking about?
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:44 pm to SBGRosco
Different types of structures: structural steel versus concrete. They absorb impact, burn, and collapse in different ways.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:46 pm to Tall Tiger
can't find the clip I'm looking for but the jihad baws in the second plane made a pretty good last second correction to hit the tower dead on, it looked like they were going to overshoot
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:48 pm to 777Tiger
I went on a deep dive of the 757 and air speed
Never knew the max air speed at over 30,000' (580mph) can vary greatly compared to lower altitude or sea level. A 757 can't reach near that speed at low altitude due to higher air density/gravity etc. Plus something about VMO vs MMO. I'm done reading for the day.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:53 pm to Sao
quote:
VMO
max indicated operating airspeed
quote:
MMO
max operating mach
as altitude increases air density decreases(less drag,) at a crossover point indicated airspeed transitions to mach and the indicated airspeed decreases(fewer molecules,) and mach increases(less drag,) an oversimplification but that's sort of it in a nutshell
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:57 pm to 777Tiger
quote:
VMO
max indicated operating airspeed
quote:
MMO
max operating mach
My wild conspiracy theory is that 777 knows nothing about planes but is an excellent Googler.
Sticking true to this thread, no evidence can make me not believe it!!!!
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:57 pm to Obtuse1
It doesn’t look like a commercial jet hit it imo. The one video that was put out that supposedly shows the nose cone of the plane just before impact doesn’t make sense when combined with all of the other evidence or lack thereof. The NBC reports about the wings folding in behind the “penetrating” nose cone really set off my bs alarm. Frickin propagandist media! There’s plenty of evidence on the web of planes hitting one thing or another & the engines “survive” mostly intact & the nose cone of a plane isn’t exactly a penetrator of anything. That being said….where’s the plethora of surveillance videos that should show a plane flying into the building? There can’t be just that one crappy video of a supposed nose cone & then an explosion that doesn’t come close to resembling the impact/explosions of the twin towers. Also, if that was the nose cone then the plane was in fact contacting the ground well before impact which would greatly reduce its “penetrating” impact on the building. Again, I’m not got any conspiracy theories but the original videos/images of that day never looked even remotely the same to me or others I was in contact with as the events were unfolding.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:57 pm to shel311
quote:
777 knows nothing about planes but is an excellent Googler.
busted!!!!
Posted on 9/6/23 at 5:00 pm to SBGRosco
quote:You keep repeating this while others have replied to this.
That being said….where’s the plethora of surveillance videos that should show a plane flying into the building?
You seem to think there are dozens of videos of the 1st plane hitting the tower, but you're incorrect.
quote:Why should it?
& then an explosion that doesn’t come close to resembling the impact/explosions of the twin towers
But again, what are your thoughts on the missing Flight 77, actual pieces of flight 77 strewn all about around the Pentagon, and actual pictures of body parts and dead bodies in seats of Flight 77 found at the Pentagon?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 5:00 pm to 777Tiger
The ABC footage shows it heading south I guess for aways over the city before impact. They had a good roll correction going.
I would hit those towers regularly with the piper in Microsoft flightsim on my Atari computer.
I would hit those towers regularly with the piper in Microsoft flightsim on my Atari computer.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 5:04 pm to 777Tiger
Sums it up well. The FAA and Commission reports have speeds of the tower planes well above possible MMO.
Having a Leinenkugel's Summer Shandy now to offset the short-circuit.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 5:04 pm to holmesbr
them baws would have lost a lot of virgins if they’d have just clipped the tower with a wing
Posted on 9/6/23 at 5:07 pm to shel311
Where do I find the original images of plane debris and bodies that you’re describing? Why couldn’t I find them back then when there was no AI bs corrupting everything? Why BBC weren’t there daily reports of finding more debris and body parts at the Pentagon as there were for Manhattan? Why was there so much more intact & unburned debris in the hole at the Pentagon than @ the twin towers? As a matter of fact, my most vivid account of that day was a news coverage only hours after the impact that they showed the “hole” & there was a clean desk with a book full of clean white pages flipping back n forth from the wind or helicopters. How could that have been if it’d burned for hours as did the twin towers? Lastly, where’s the impact against the building from the 2 engines? NBC “explained this away” by saying that the wings folded in behind the penetrating nose cone. I’m calling total bs on that one. At 550 mph the rigs had time to fold in behind the “penetrating” nose cone?!? C’mon! Be serious.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 5:08 pm to Sao
quote:
speeds of the tower planes well above possible MMO.
the 757 has a relatively low Vmo compared to most Boeing airliners but doesn’t mean they weren’t exceeding it when they hit it, I’ve seen the data before but it’s been years
ETA: mach number at that altitude would be low even though indicated airspeed would have been high
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 5:16 pm to SBGRosco
An aircraft engine is not going to remain intact after slamming into concrete at 500 mph.
It skipped once before impact.
So it slowed down to 400 mph.
The pentagon was reinforced concrete. Like the poster above stated, it’s going to absorb impact differently than structural steel that is spaced apart.
Is this really that hard to understand??
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if that was the nose cone then the plane was in fact contacting the ground well before impact
It skipped once before impact.
So it slowed down to 400 mph.
The pentagon was reinforced concrete. Like the poster above stated, it’s going to absorb impact differently than structural steel that is spaced apart.
Is this really that hard to understand??
Posted on 9/6/23 at 5:18 pm to Tyga Woods
quote:
Is this really that hard to understand?
can you explain that in premium terminology?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 5:19 pm to 777Tiger
quote:
can you explain that in premium terminology?
I don’t have that rating, cap’n
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