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re: Need AA Flight 77 Pentagon Crash Opinion
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:22 pm to SpencerRob
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:22 pm to SpencerRob
What are your thoughts on WT7?
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:27 pm to SpencerRob
quote:Agreed, how about the one about the virgin who gave birth...to some dude who gets murdered and comes back to life...and perpetually lives in the clouds with his Dad?
It’s scary and sad to me that our country is filled with people who have convinced themselves of some of the most idiotic theories,
If you believe that one, you'll literally fall for ANYTHING.
You are correct, It's scary the idiotic theories people convince themselves of.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:30 pm to Sao
quote:How many videos have you ever seen of the 1st tower getting hit?
The only 2 frame by frame that exist in the wild are the 2 gifs you see from the east side security gate. 1 is 8 seconds, the other 5. No other video has been released by the government in 22 years. The best and closest would've been a gas station and hotel so say the webs. It was taken and that was that as they say.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:32 pm to Sao
Do you think AA Flight 77 hit the Pentagon or not?
I see you’re asking a ton of questions but have yet to provide your final conclusion.
I see you’re asking a ton of questions but have yet to provide your final conclusion.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:34 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
Agreed, how about the one about the virgin who gave birth...to some dude who gets murdered and comes back to life...and perpetually lives in the clouds with his Dad?
If you believe that one, you'll literally fall for ANYTHING.
You are correct, It's scary the idiotic theories people convince themselves of.
Comparing hardwired religious stories from 2000 years ago to recent events from 22 years ago. Makes sense. Great comparison.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:34 pm to shel311
quote:
How many videos have you ever seen of the 1st tower getting hit?
5 or so? IDK. Why?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:39 pm to Sao
quote:Pretty sure only 2 exist. For 20+ years there was only 1, a documentary being filmed just near the tower. Then just recently, another never before seen video popped up.
5 or so? IDK. Why?
In a place as populated as NYC at a place as popular as a tourist attraction was the WTC, there are only 2 known videos out there.
Is it really THAT unbelievable for there to be 2 less videos of the Pentagon, which is in a much less populated area compared to the WTC?
Is that really less believable than trying to explain what happened to all the people on Flight 77, the dozens of witnesses who saw a plane, the debris of AA 77 at the Pentagon, and the dead bodies from the wreckage? All of that is more believable than the idea that there were 2 less videos made public compared to the WTC?
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:39 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Comparing hardwired religious stories from 2000 years ago to recent events from 22 years ago. Makes sense. Great comparison.
There is irony in a conspiracy quack bringing up religion, because they latch on to their conspiracy beliefs the way many people latch on to religious beliefs, and there is no logical discussion to be had to dissuade them. They either can’t or won’t process evidence that refutes their theory.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:42 pm to SpencerRob
quote:I know this can flip this thread real quick lol, but this is spot on.
There is irony in a conspiracy quack bringing up religion, because they latch on to their conspiracy beliefs the way many people latch on to religious beliefs, and there is no logical discussion to be had to dissuade them. The either can’t or won’t process evidence that refutes their theory.
It's a bit funny for one to call out conspiracy theorists as being crazy but to fully believe in all of the stuff you read in the Bible and think it all happened and all those people really existed.
The 2 ideas, as you stated, aren't that far off in terms of having to suspend reality and believe in things that all logic and data and science and whatever else simply can't prove your assertion, but quite the opposite.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:43 pm to Sao
quote:You do realize that you're arguing with a poster who doesn't even understand that a building as important and as sensitive as the Pentagon would have the most sophisticated surveillance system in the country.
How many videos have you ever seen of the 1st tower getting hit?
5 or so? IDK. Why?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:46 pm to TX Tiger
I just want one conspiracy theorist on this thread to tell us what happened to the real flight 77 according to their theory.
All we get as responses are more questions meant to make them sound smart and insightful while avoiding some very basic questions.
All we get as responses are more questions meant to make them sound smart and insightful while avoiding some very basic questions.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:47 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
Do you think AA Flight 77 hit the Pentagon or not?
I see you’re asking a ton of questions but have yet to provide your final conclusion.
Come on, Sao. It’s easy to ask questions. What’s your (working) conclusion?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:48 pm to TX Tiger
quote:What happened to flight 77, how did flight 77 debris and human body parts from flight 77 passengers end up at the Pentagon?
You do realize that you're arguing with a poster who doesn't even understand that a building as important and as sensitive as the Pentagon would have the most sophisticated surveillance system in the country.
Go ahead, give it a shot. It's been asked probably 10+ times in this thread, all the conspiracy folks have ignored it. You can be the hero that explains it once and for all. This is your time to shine!
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:48 pm to shel311
In both cases, the irrational suspension of logic is to fill a need - in the case of religion, faith is needed because belief in a deity has benefits to a lot of people to help give meaning to their life. In the case of conspiracy quacks, they usually need to feel they are smarter than everyone on some subject , because in reality there is so much in the world that is too complex for them to understand and that creates an anxiety in them.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:53 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
You do realize that you're arguing with a poster who doesn't even understand that a building as important and as sensitive as the Pentagon would have the most sophisticated surveillance system in the country.
What do you think another video is gonna show? There won’t be much to see, if anything, with a small field of view and an object moving 500 mph.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:59 pm to Sao
Do you somehow think a safe landing is easier than a “take an already flying plane and hit that building over there” landing?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:02 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
You do realize that you're arguing with a poster who doesn't even understand that a building as important and as sensitive as the Pentagon would have the most sophisticated surveillance system in the country.
Pretty sure said 2001 surveillance system, being so sophisticated, would be focused on terrestrial avenues of approach and not looking for aircraft and missiles, relying on other systems to mitigate that marginal threat. As a result camera angles are in depth, not giving you a Hollywood choice of vantage points of every thing and where.
Remember, defense via cameras requires monitoring, and there is a point it is counter productive to have redundant angles.
The only oddity would be if there was NO footage.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:03 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Sorry. Yes, I think 77, 11, 93 and 175 all crashed exactly where they did. 77 as well but I'm a little confused how the exact data the FAA and Commission state as fact can be true. I don't believe 77 was traveling at over 530 mph while completing the loop and fast decent, though. Still reading but it's just my opinion so far.
Want some fun? Start a WT7 collapse thread tomorrow. That's a doozy.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:11 pm to Sao
quote:Lost in all of this thread, I may have missed it, did 777 directly answer this one?
Have wanted to ask 777Tiger this before so here goes.
In your opinion, can a couple of guys who have only simulator training successfully fly a Boeing 757-223 into the East Wing of the Pentagon traveling over 550 mph and nearly dead horizontal with only 30' of altitude at impact? What is the probability IYO?
If so, what page?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:14 pm to shel311
Not really, no. But he's been busy I think.
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