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re: Natural gas infrastructure not built for generator demand
Posted on 9/14/24 at 11:08 pm to ragincajun03
Posted on 9/14/24 at 11:08 pm to ragincajun03
quote:how is this news?
Natural gas infrastructure not built for generator demand
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Posted on 9/14/24 at 11:18 pm to ragincajun03
Sure seems that they pull enough natural gas as a central heating furnace does. I seriously doubt anyone is using full KW capacity at all. You would have to have every electrical appliance starting up at the same time
Posted on 9/14/24 at 11:39 pm to Tarps99
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That may have been the issue at one of my sites for this storm. Generator failed to start because water was in the diesel in the engine. Once the diesel tech bled the lines a several times and after a few ties, it started up
Anything diesel it's best to regularly open the drain on the fuel tank to bleed off accumulated water. If it doesn't have an inline water separator install one asap.
Before I hop on equipment I always open the petcock at the bottom of the fuel tank. It only takes a minute and will save a lot of headaches. I cant tell you the amount fuel related issues I had before I finally did that one simple thing to avoid the issues all together.
Posted on 9/14/24 at 11:51 pm to Slingscode
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My solar panels and batteries looking better all the time
Same here. And I use it everyday to harvest free electricity from the sun. In about 8 years my system will pay for itself. And I have backup electricity when I need it.
Also no dependence on any unreliable infrastructure.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 7:43 am to ragincajun03
South coast has a pump station at the front of my street. That thing sings when the power is out. I currently have a portable generator converted to Natural Gas, it's been working fine. I think I'm going to replace it with a gasoline generator though. I have 70 gallons of gas in my boat that I could use to run a generator for several days, possibly a week or more.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 8:12 am to TigersnJeeps
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My question is how reliable is propane delivery
It was great after Laura. The two major providers in my area were here the next day and topping people off every day. It was actually very surprising
Posted on 9/15/24 at 8:30 am to nugget
We run a propane company based out of Thibodaux and will be doing multiple NG conversations to LP after this storm. Couple this with the right sized tank and wireless tank monitors the homeowners will never have to call us to get their tanks filled before running out
Posted on 9/15/24 at 8:40 am to bayoudude
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Ida ripped the panels and caused holes in the roof of an acquaintance of mine. He would have had no water damage if it had not been from the holes left by the panels being ripped off.
Main reason I said no, concerned about roof damage.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 9:13 am to LSUlefty
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Don't most bury the tanks?
If you’re in a coastal zone you can’t bury it due to water table issues.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 9:17 am to t00f
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Main reason I said no, concerned about roof damage.
It’s become an issue where some people are having their insurance cancelled or can’t get a policy written due to those panels.
The wind gets under them in a storm situation creating lift on the roof and making a failure much more likely.
I’d never put one on my house.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 9:37 am to Chad504boy
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Dumb. You’d need like 100 gallons of gas to run that thing for 12+ hours a day for 4-6 days
I run a 17500 generac. 50 amp plug with a lock switch on my panel. Yes it burns gas at about that rate. Maybe more. Depends on how much I run. But $3500 for generator and $500 worth of gas for a week I’ll go through 20 outages before I catch up cost of a standby that might not work because it can’t get gas.
Yes this was a problem for Ida. I just don’t think people realized what was going on. Now they do. Also it was hot as frick after Ida and the air cooled generators were having a problem because they were installed in between fence and house and couldn’t cool enough.
I think some of the generators installed are ridiculously over sized and may contribute to the problem. I saw some 22kw on 2000 sq ft house. Now way you need that. There is no way they are going to fix the problem any time soon and will only get worse
Posted on 9/15/24 at 10:51 am to Art Vandelay
I was just chatting with my neighbor whose generator would not run because of the gas issue. He says he was just on the phone with the “vice president “ of the gas company that services Thibodaux, Mr vice president’s suggestion was that said neighbor get a diesel generator. Can you believe the natural gas company suggested he get a diesel generator?
Posted on 9/15/24 at 11:05 am to ragincajun03
Municipalities and communities could upgrade their lines and mains, and require pressure testing before allowing new connections. But this costs a ton of money that everyone will end up paying for, whether we have NG generators or not.
I personally don't want to pay anymore for NG when the systems works fine every day of the year except for hurricane that hits every 3-5 years.
I personally don't want to pay anymore for NG when the systems works fine every day of the year except for hurricane that hits every 3-5 years.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 11:12 am to tide06
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The wind gets under them in a storm situation creating lift on the roof and making a failure much more likely.
This is only a concern for shitty installs. Any reputable racking that’s installed properly is rated to 150mph and has a safety factor engineered in as well. There are also high load modules and racking rated to over 200mph for high wind load areas. The roof penetrations should always be the last thing to fail as well and most module loss is from flexing out of the clips or debris impact. Ripping out of the roof isn’t a real issue unless it was installed by an idiot, which unfortunately happens quite a bit.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:40 pm to Wolfmanjack
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I was just chatting with my neighbor whose generator would not run because of the gas issue. He says he was just on the phone with the “vice president “ of the gas company that services Thibodaux, Mr vice president’s suggestion was that said neighbor get a diesel generator. Can you believe the natural gas company suggested he get a diesel generator?
Yes I can. He’s tired of people calling him and asking. I’m sure they are under no obligation to provide output for standby generators. He also knows no one is going get a diesel. They are the size of a fricking bus and you still need to go buy diesel
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:53 pm to GVT
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Why can't people just suffer for a few days like in the past. It builds character. It's as if nobody can be uncomfortable for a few hours, dang. 20k to avoid being uncomfortable for a few hours every 5 years seems ridiculous to me.
A few days? I was without power 10 days for Beryl and 2 weeks for Ike. 2 days is bearable. My portable tri fuel didn't cost $20k either. In Houston, we've had 2 events this year without power for multiple days. We had 2 last year and on average it's 1-2 per year between the freezes and the storms (including the hurricanes, derecho, and microburst).
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