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re: Natchez Trace driver who hit and ran, lied & destroyed evidence WILL face federal charges

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Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:16 pm to
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but most cyclists don't have a choice


to be healthy most cyclists need to ride on congested roads?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:17 pm to
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to be healthy most cyclists need to ride on congested roads?


No.

Is Natchez Trace a congested road?
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:20 pm to
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are you just ignoring the reasons why they don't do this?


I am trying to understand what makes you or any other cyclist think its safer to hold steady to the center lane when being passed by a vehicle that can easily kill them rather than giving a little and being courteous when being passed. shite if i am passed on a 2 lane hwy i hug the right side of the road.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:21 pm to
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Is Natchez Trace a congested road?


Apparently its so congested a cyclist can't yield some to vehicles passing them
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:22 pm to
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I am trying to understand what makes you or any other cyclist think its safer to hold steady to the center lane when being passed by a vehicle that can easily kill them rather than giving a little and being courteous when being passed.


if a person doesn't see you, it doesn't matter where you are in the road

if they do see you, I would rather them have to go all the way around me, rather than trying to squeeze past me while still being in the lane

this shouldn't be hard to understand, but I guess if you've never ridden a bike before, it might be

Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:22 pm to
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Apparently its so congested a cyclist can't yield some to vehicles passing them


this doesn't make sense
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:25 pm to
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I would rather them have to go all the way around me, rather than trying to squeeze past me while still being in the lane



you trust drivers way too much. I have seen people driving badly for over 30 years and I don't trust anyone. i always drive defensively...and would do so on a bike.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:29 pm to
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. I have seen people driving badly for over 30 years and I don't trust anyone. i always drive defensively...and would do so on a bike.


taking the lane is riding defensively
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:29 pm to
no traffic. Vehicle approaching a few cyclist from behind. As a cyclist I would naturally give some room for my safety number one and to be courteous. You don't know if that person is drunk, stoned, crazy, distracted or whatever else. I am not trusting an oncoming vehicle with my life.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:31 pm to
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taking the lane is riding defensively




people hit 4,00 pound cars everyday because they are distracted yet you will trust to put your life in their hands that they won't be distracted while passing you...that makes no sense to me
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:35 pm to
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people hit 4,00 pound cars everyday because they are distracted yet you will trust to put your life in their hands that they won't be distracted while passing you...that makes no sense to me


your logic is flawed

they are passing me whether I force them to go all the way around or not

either way has the potential for them to hit me if they are distracted

what one way is eliminating is the possibility of them trying to squeeze past me while still staying in the lane and not only putting myself in danger, but themselves and oncoming traffic in danger as well
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:36 pm to
This thread has turned into a bona fide fish fight
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:38 pm to
and we all know that salmon > speckled trout
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:46 pm to
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what one way is eliminating is the possibility of them trying to squeeze past me while still staying in the lane and not only putting myself in danger, but themselves and oncoming traffic in danger as well



being closer to the shoulder and the nearest to the place you can to get out of the way is much safer than staying near the dotted lines especially when another vehicle is also approaching in the other lane...i really can't fathom how you can't grasp this concept. How many blows to the noggin have you had due to bike crashes?

Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:50 pm to
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being closer to the shoulder and the nearest to the place you can to get out of the way is much safer than staying near the dotted lines especially when another vehicle is also approaching in the other lane...i really can't fathom how you can't grasp this concept.


do you really think this would be a universally accepted practice if that were true?

or do you think that cyclist understand which way is better from actual experience?
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:50 pm to
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and we all know that salmon > speckled trout


salmon die by swimming upstream to spawn...trout don't

almost like...

Salmon rides a cycle risking death to get to work...Topwater takes a vehicle b/c its safer
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:52 pm to
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do you really think this would be a universally accepted practice if that were true?


I think if a 4,000 pound vehicle was on my arse i would sure as hell not be trusting my life in his hands.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:53 pm to
we will never agree. I am bored of this convo. I really hope you don't get hit by a vehicle. We usually oppose each other but I still like you
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:54 pm to
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I think if a 4,000 pound vehicle was on my arse i would sure as hell not be trusting my life in his hands.


well honestly, every time you get on a road while riding, you are doing this

I have rear mirrors on my back and take the most out of way streets to ride to work

I avoid heavy traffic streets at all costs because I don't trust drivers, but just by getting on the road I'm accepting some risk
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:56 pm to
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I avoid heavy traffic streets at all costs because I don't trust drivers, but just by getting on the road I'm accepting some risk


well at least you seem smarter than most
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