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re: My tree fell on my neighbors house

Posted on 5/2/16 at 3:55 pm to
Posted by Barf
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Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 5/2/16 at 3:55 pm to
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I blow as many as I can of my neighbors leaves back onto his yard and I don't care if he sees me doing it.


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I'm actually a great neighbor


No. You're an a-hole. A lucky a-hole who just happens to live next door to someone who's not willing to be a bigger a-hole.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 3:55 pm to
It only makes sense that the insurance for the person that receives the damage pays the claim.

Doing anything otherwise would be absolute chaos after a hurricane or tornado. It's not like it is possible to figure out from where trees and limbs were uprooted and thrown around after a large tornado goes through a neighborhood.
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 3:56 pm
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
44385 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:00 pm to
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It's not like it is possible to figure out where trees and limbs were uprooted and thrown around after a large tornado goes through a neighborhood.
After a storm, it might have been Gustav or even Katrina I cant remember, a huge pine tree feel from my neighbors front yard across my front yard and on top my suburban. It reverted to my auto insurance to repair - his homeowner's insurance had no part and my auto told me he's not liable.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
30810 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:06 pm to
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even though I'm moving away in 2 months


then def don't pay his deductible
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46134 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:07 pm to
In the state of Louisiana, every state is different, if a neighbor's healthy tree falls on a house, the insurance company that insures the house will subrogate to the tree owner's insurance for the cost to remove the tree from the covered property. If the tree is dead they will subrogate for all the damages, regardless if a letter has been sent or not. The homeowner's might and might not ever know that this happens.
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
111669 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:10 pm to
Barf, you don't understand the whole tree situation I have with my neighbor and I won't go into all the details. Trust me, I'm an IRL good dude who's only an a-hole for just very brief moments. You'd want to hug me, not the tree if I went into all the details.
Posted by Festus
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Member since Nov 2009
85629 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:16 pm to
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In the state of Louisiana, every state is different, if a neighbor's healthy tree falls on a house, the insurance company that insures the house will subrogate to the tree owner's insurance for the cost to remove the tree from the covered property.

link?
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If the tree is dead they will subrogate for all the damages, regardless if a letter has been sent or not. The homeowner's might and might not ever know that this happens.

link?
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
14677 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:21 pm to
The exact same thing happened to me recently except it was more than just gutter damage. I knew i wasnt liable, but i felt the right and moral thing to do was to help them out. They are good people and have been hit with alot of shite over the last few yrs and it was worth it to me because they have always been good neighbors to us. I also had the rest of the tree cut down and to find a liscensed and insured person to get it done, i had to pay. That shite aint cheap.
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
Member since Aug 2004
17979 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:21 pm to
Neighbor gonna have to eat hat tree expense.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46134 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:32 pm to
I am an adjuster. I see this all the time.

LINK

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The Simon case involved claims by a neighbor for reimbursement of tree-removal expenses against the neighboring tree owner. The tree owner asserted the Act of God defense, the common law equivalent to the Louisiana civil law doctrine of force majeure, declining liability for the tree removal because it was felled by an unforeseen force of nature, or other irresistible force. The appellate court overruled the trial judge’s application of the Act of God defense and found that the defendant’s decision not to remove the tree was not caused by any act of God. The court concluded that the Act of God defense did not relieve the defendant from his responsibility to remove his fallen tree from his neighbor’s property. Although an Act of God or force majeure may have caused the tree to fall, it did not serve to divest the tree owner of his ownership of the tree. Hence, responsibility to remove a fallen tree from neighboring property rests with the owner of the tree.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:34 pm to
I'm sincerely trying to figure out where people are coming up with these "facts".

If a healthy tree falls on your house from a neighbor's yard, during a storm, your insurance company will pay. They won't subrogate. (although they can. Just like filing a lawsuit, they can do whatever they want. They just normally won't because they will lose)

Hell, even if a rotten tree falls on your house during a storm, your insurance will pay 99.99% of the time, and not subrogate. If you can prove you put them on formal notice of the rotten tree prior, that could change things. But almost no one does that. I guess all of this could have changed in the last few years, as litigation and the legislature can change things.

Where are people coming up with this?
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
111669 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:36 pm to
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Hence, responsibility to remove a fallen tree from neighboring property rests with the owner of the tree.



That's the way it should be.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46134 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:38 pm to
quote:

I'm sincerely trying to figure out where people are coming up with these "facts".

If a healthy tree falls on your house from a neighbor's yard, during a storm, your insurance company will pay. They won't subrogate. (although they can. Just like filing a lawsuit, they can do whatever they want. They just normally won't because they will lose)

Hell, even if a rotten tree falls on your house during a storm, your insurance will pay 99.99% of the time, and not subrogate. If you can prove you put them on formal notice of the rotten tree prior, that could change things. But almost no one does that. I guess all of this could have changed in the last few years, as litigation and the legislature can change things.

Where are people coming up with this?


How do you know insurance companies don't subrogate?
Posted by Festus
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Member since Nov 2009
85629 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:44 pm to
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Although an Act of God or force majeure may have caused the tree to fall, it did not serve to divest the tree owner of his ownership of the tree. Hence, responsibility to remove a fallen tree from neighboring property rests with the owner of the tree.


Did not know this. During Katrina, shitty Allstate was not following this.

Where's the link on this part:
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If the tree is dead they will subrogate for all the damages, regardless if a letter has been sent or not. The homeowner's might and might not ever know that this happens.


I was screwed on this as well.
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8250 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:46 pm to
Good info, we're dealing with this exact situation right now where a neighbor's very rotten tree fell onto my girlfriend's and neighbor's home, putting holes in each house and doing a ton of other damage. An adjuster came but apparently didn't seem too concerned with all the pictures we had as well as the huge chunk of rotten tree that I removed from the wall. Lead me to believe they wouldn't bother going after the tree owner.
Posted by Festus
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Member since Nov 2009
85629 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:48 pm to
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How do you know insurance companies don't subrogate?


Insurance companies definitely subrogate.

In my particular case, I asked them and they told me they didn't. I've been in insurance for a while, but as of late, not in the PD side. Just working around those on that side and discussions constantly about this. The company I worked for recently was independent claims company that adjusted claims for various companies.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46134 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:49 pm to
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Did not know this. During Katrina, shitty Allstate was not following this.


No they were not, they are now.

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Where's the link on this part:


I don't have one, I just know it is standard now.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
70920 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:54 pm to
just nail some copper nails in the tree one day, does the trick.
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
85629 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:55 pm to
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I don't have one, I just know it is standard now.

The neighbors tree that fell on my vehicle was completely rotten. It had been struck by lightening 5-7 years prior. I had pictures of the core when they cut it up after it fell, and it was almost hollowed out. Neighbor had discussed it with me in passing, but I couldn't prove that I had.

Allstate insured me and the neighbor. They claimed Act of God defense, and that was that. Would not pay for my vehicle damage. Also, would not subrogate against my neighbor stating that because it happened during storm, it didn't matter that it was rotten.

Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46134 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:58 pm to
What screwed you there was the both having the same insurance.
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