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re: My buddy’s nephew dropped out of the army...is he a coward?
Posted on 8/26/18 at 6:08 am to sweetwaterbilly
Posted on 8/26/18 at 6:08 am to sweetwaterbilly
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I thought once you signed on the dotted line you belong to them for X years.
You do not belong to them until you take the oath. Signing doesn't mean shite.
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Posted on 8/26/18 at 6:16 am to Flat Stanley
I’ve got a son joining the Army and I certainly don’t want him getting killed due to a guy that’s not committed to the effort - for whatever reason.
It’s cool - no harm no foul.
It’s cool - no harm no foul.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 6:29 am to Flat Stanley
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My buddy’s nephew dropped out of the army
Define "dropped out"
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.is he a coward?
Probably
Posted on 8/26/18 at 7:26 am to Flat Stanley
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Any true patriot would die for their country imho
So you disagree with George S. Patton
And yes, I realize it's not quite the same thing, just looking for an excuse to post the image.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 7:30 am to Flat Stanley
He is a pussy
That part is what the kid made up so he could remain a quitter
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he was afraid to go to war
That part is what the kid made up so he could remain a quitter
Posted on 8/26/18 at 7:53 am to Flat Stanley
Private Santiago is dead, and that is a tragedy. But he is dead because he had no code. He is dead because he had no honor. And God was watching.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 7:55 am to Flat Stanley
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agree with this, personally. I think people who avoid war are pussies. Especially like in the 60’s and your name was called. Any true patriot would die for their country imho
My dad was drafted and got a deferment because he was one of 5 out of 200 in his draft class that had a college degree. He didn’t want to be drafted again and not get a deferment so he joined the FBI instead. I would consider joining the FBI to avoid going to fight in Nam smart
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:12 am to Man4others
If the individual in question is a DEP (Delayed Entry Program) loss, and it's at least a month before that individual is supposed to ship to basic training, it's not that frustrating for those who work in recruiting and retention.
The ones that REALLY pissed me off when I was a recruiting commander were the ones that enlisted with a ship date of over a year out, who were just fine every time that I or one of my recruiters/station commanders called them, then THE DAY BEFORE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SHIP decide they've changed their mind.
The ones that REALLY pissed me off when I was a recruiting commander were the ones that enlisted with a ship date of over a year out, who were just fine every time that I or one of my recruiters/station commanders called them, then THE DAY BEFORE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SHIP decide they've changed their mind.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:14 am to Flat Stanley
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This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:18 am to Ricardo
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If he quit before finishing basic, then he's saving everyone a lot of time, money, and frustration not having to deal with an unmotivated person.
He's not saving any money in that case. The funds are already locked in and allocated for a training slot a month in advance. If someone washes out, the money is still spent. If someone decides at the last minute not to ship, the training slot is simply not filled and the money is still spent.
It costs on average about $250,000 to put one recruit through basic training from start to finish including that individual's pay.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:20 am to Flat Stanley
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Slightly taken aback, I wondered if this was a respectable move on his part or if avoiding military service is cowardly and unpatriotic. What says the OT? Is being a draft dodger the biggest coward move you can make or is It kind of badass?
Did you go to war? If so, it’s a fair question. If not, you never know until you walk a mile in someone else’s shoes.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:21 am to Flat Stanley
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nephew dropped out of the army because he was afraid to go to war. Slightly taken aback, I wondered if this was a respectable move on his part or if avoiding military service is cowardly and unpatriotic.
No different than most people who never enlist. Just good that he realized it before he got deployed.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:25 am to GetmorewithLes
Also, on the subject of Army Recruiting: USAREC (U.S. Army Recruiting Command) already factors in an assumption that 10% of all recruits who enlist at MEPS (Military Entry Processing Station) never ship to basic.
The 2-star command EXPECTS 10% to quit before they even leave for basic training. Think about that.
My command made great strides by reducing the loss rate of over 12% when I arrived in command to just above 7% when I left.
The 2-star command EXPECTS 10% to quit before they even leave for basic training. Think about that.
My command made great strides by reducing the loss rate of over 12% when I arrived in command to just above 7% when I left.
This post was edited on 8/26/18 at 8:26 am
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:27 am to Flat Stanley
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My buddy and I were sitting around watching the Cowboys preseason game last weekend
This part of your story need not be shared. Adds noting to the story.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:29 am to Flat Stanley
One does not just "drop out" of the military. It's not a frat rush
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:31 am to DannyB
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You do not belong to them until you take the oath. Signing doesn't mean shite.
You STILL don't belong to them until you actually get on the plane to leave for Basic Training/OSUT. DEPs quit all the time for a variety of reasons.
Some truly want to serve, but enlist under an open profile. Then that quack Dr. Wong at USAREC decides the day before they are supposed to ship that they are medically unfit to serve and someone like me has to tell them we can no longer let them enlist.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:32 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:33 am to Choctaw
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One does not just "drop out" of the military. It's not a frat rush
You do if you are going active duty and never ship to basic. However, if you join the guard or reserves, you can actually face some serious consequences if you fail to ship to basic and the unit refuses to release you. Depending on how petty the unit is, especially a guard unit, you can be fined and even serve jail time depending on the state.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:34 am to Ricardo
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It still is saving the government money having him quit in basic than a few months into his enlistment
You can't save money that is already spent. That's my point. The rest of your post stands as written. Also, Basic Training/OSUT is, on average, 22-25 weeks. That's "a few months into the enlistment".
This post was edited on 8/26/18 at 8:35 am
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:34 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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You do if you are going active duty and never ship to basic.
Than you were never in the military
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