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re: Mummies weren’t found in the pyramids?
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:15 pm to cssamerican
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:15 pm to cssamerican
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We recently discovered that King David was real through archeological evidence. So, up to at least that point it appears historically accurate. At what point do you suppose they just started making stuff up out of thin air? What evidence do we have to doubt the accuracy of Jewish history in the Bible?
As I told MJ, there’s plenty of evidence.
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When Joseph’s brothers arrive in Egypt, Joseph discusses with Pharaoh where they should live. Genesis 47:11 says, “And Joseph settled his father and his brothers, and he gave them an estate in the land of Egypt in the best of the land in the region of Ramses.” Scholars usually repudiate the notion that Israelites settled in the region of Ramses, since he would not rise to power for many years. However, new evidence shows that the Israelites actually did come to Egypt during the reign of Ramses II, due to a great famine around 1225 BCE; those at the time of Joseph who settled in the region of Ramses, however, can be correlated with the Jacob-el people from Edom. There is Egyptian documentation about a group from Edom who migrated to Egypt because of famine, starvation, and thirst.1 The migration of the Jacob group to Egypt was similar to this episode.2 In both cases, migrants whose vocation included shepherding were despised by the Egyptians because the latter deified the ram as a holy animal, symbolizing the Egyptian god Amon. Thus, it seems logical that the Egyptians would conscript these starving migrants as lowly physical laborers to build the city of Ramses.
The circumstances of the Jacob-el group’s exodus from Egypt are recounted in many documents, most notably by Manetho, an Egyptian priest writing during the Second Temple period around the third century BCE. His writings are preserved in the work of the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius, who lived in the first century CE.
Harvard Divinity
Notice how they cite ancient sources outside the Bible. Like I said before, to claim there is no evidence for the Exodus outside the Bible is too just false.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:18 pm to Darth_Vader
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At least be honest.
Why would I lie about something so stupid as down voting you?

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You mean other than the fact you’re claiming the central document, namely the Bible, that Western Civilization has been based on for close to two millennia is a work of fiction?
Is that what I claimed? I'll answer for you. No, it's not. I believe that it does contain certain descriptions of historical events. That doesn't mean that everything in it is a description of an actual historical event, or that it's descriptions are historically accurate.
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There is penitents of independent evidence to back up the Exodus. You just chose to discount it based on nothing past your own biases.
Penitents? No, there isn't much historical evidence to back up the description of Exodus.
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What a stupid question. To believe one of the founding stories of any particular peoples means the others by extension must be false.
No it doesn't. Your answer is stupid.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:21 pm to cssamerican
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We recently discovered that King David was real through archeological evidence. So, up to at least that point it appears historically accurate. At what point do you suppose they just started making stuff up out of thin air? What evidence do we have to doubt the accuracy of Jewish history in the Bible?
So because David was a real person, another person who lived at least 300 (but maybe 500) years before him must have be real too? That's silly. Also, just because David was real, does that mean all the stories about him were real too?
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:25 pm to lsunatchamp
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Ok, so how'd they do it?
Ancient giants from what I understand.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:34 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:Let's just cut to the chase, who do you think from that time period is real?
So because David was a real person, another person who lived at least 300 (but maybe 500) years before him must have be real too? That's silly. Also, just because David was real, does that mean all the stories about him were real too?
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:35 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Now do grandiose buildings built in the west compared to poor people in Appalachia or dumb rednecks in the Deep South. There’s your answer.
I’m talking about brand new construction on high end buildings in Cairo. I saw it today, it’s pretty astounding how bad it is.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:38 pm to Kcrad
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Let's just cut to the chase, who do you think from that time period is real?
From what time period? Exodus?
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:39 pm to eitek1
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I’m talking about brand new construction on high end buildings in Cairo. I saw it today, it’s pretty astounding how bad it is.
I don't doubt it, but I think you missed my point.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:46 pm to lsunatchamp
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Now ask yourself if that story seems reasonable
These guys were Masons, early members of the Masonic order, pre-Shriner Masons. Just look at symbolism engraved on and illustrated within the pyramid on the back of a dollar bill. How they built the pyramids is a secret that you would know if you were a Mason of any advanced degree of standing in he lodge.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:51 pm to auggie
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The Pyramids were giant public work projects between times of war
More like markers left behind by alien travelers to let other aliens know that the first groups of aliens were here.
Think Hansel and Gretal here.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:53 pm to hawgfaninc
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Which company? If you don’t mind saying
The company is called Educational Opportunities Tours. They run stuff all,over the world.
I mainly came over here to tour Israel. I can tell you this it was a world class experience. Our guides level of knowledge about the Bible and its relationship to the land of Israel was just astounding. There was nothing he couldn’t answer. Everything ran on schedule and we got to see a lot of stuff that wasn’t on our itinerary.
We traveled all over Israel but spent three nights in Tiberius on the Sea of Galilee and the rest in Jerusalem. I’m without a doubt going to come back.
The cost of the trip per person was 3600 dollars. That included flights, accommodations, breakfast and dinner, all entry fees, taxes and everything else. You have to pay for lunches every day but it’s generally under 20 bucks per person.
If you are a Christian or take your faith seriously, start saving for a trip. I can’t begin to explain how much of an enriching experience this was. There is so much context that you are missing from the Bible by just reading it. Actually getting a lay of the land makes a difference.
I got to see so many wonderful things… At Herod’s palace at Ceserea Phillipi, the place where Paul was imprisoned was found last month. The ground caved in above it and boom, there was a tunnel with inscriptions on the wall.
It was amazing.
From there you can purchase “extensions” to other destinations. This is a timely thread as we chose the Exodus extension. I just spent 2 days riding all over the Sinai. I got to stay in St. Catherine were Moses allegedly found the burning bush.
Tomorrow we go see the pyramids and other ancient sites. If anyone has any pyramid questions let me know. I’m going to be next to an actual Egyptologist and the pyramids for the next 2 days.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:39 pm to eitek1
This thread is crazier than a bathtub full of cats
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:36 pm to eitek1
quote:What you are seeing in unfinished buildings in Egypt is a tax code thing.
I’m talking about brand new construction on high end buildings in Cairo. I saw it today, it’s pretty astounding how bad it is.
Property taxes don’t lock-in at a very high rate until the building is complete. So the rebar protruding from support columns, goats and chickens running wild on the 3rd & 4th floors keep the taxes low at the unfinished rate.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 9:55 pm to hawgfaninc
AJ and Hecklefish explain it all.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 11:26 pm to lsunatchamp
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They decided to drag 1000 pound blocks of stone 500 miles...Thousands of them. Now ask yourself if that story seems reasonable
Yeah, go big or go home. As much as the ancient astronaut idiots on the History channel would have you doubt, people could move heavy stuff via water back then and they could create canals and utilize hydrology to move things around.
Posted on 6/18/23 at 11:19 am to Darth_Vader
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What a stupid question. To believe one of the founding stories of any particular peoples means the others by extension must be false.
What? Choosing to believe a story means others must be false?
It might have sounded better if you would acknowledge which stories are better supported by evidence.
Posted on 6/18/23 at 11:21 am to lsunatchamp
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1000 pound blocks of stone 500 miles...Thousands of them
Plus a few 5k-50k pound ones for good measure. I wanna say one of the biggest was almost 50 tons, so 100k pounds.
Posted on 6/18/23 at 11:24 am to Brosef Stalin
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It has to do acoustic resonance. If you use the right sound frequency you can make objects weightless
Or make them poop their pants.
Posted on 6/18/23 at 11:35 am to lsunatchamp
People weren’t in a hurry back then like we are today
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