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Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:02 pm to N2cars
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Good works dont get you into Heaven, and in fact, God looks upon them as filthy rags.
God looks upon good works to your fellow man as filthy rags?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:15 pm to CatfishJohn
Mormons are good people period. I grew up with them. You want to understand Mormons watch South Parks episode on them.
They were not always that way but that’s a different story. And seriously if a man wants 10 wives and the bitches are cool with it, who cares.
What most people don’t know is the actual power of the church because they don’t flex etc. they own most of central Florida, Idaho, and I am sure significant portions of California and Oregon that produce food. I don’t know the overall percentage of food producing property that they own, but it is significant and more than any other church by multitudes. They made a determination decades ago to own as much of the production of vital foods as possible to prepare for the coming, Armageddon, etc. Additionally they decided to stock pile funds for the same reason to help prepare for Christ return so that he would have a significant war chest, and I believe they are approaching a trillion now. Every Mormon was also required to carry at least a year supply of food for his entire family, which is always great to have in the hurricanes, etc., and they are definitely willing to share with neighbors.
They were not always that way but that’s a different story. And seriously if a man wants 10 wives and the bitches are cool with it, who cares.
What most people don’t know is the actual power of the church because they don’t flex etc. they own most of central Florida, Idaho, and I am sure significant portions of California and Oregon that produce food. I don’t know the overall percentage of food producing property that they own, but it is significant and more than any other church by multitudes. They made a determination decades ago to own as much of the production of vital foods as possible to prepare for the coming, Armageddon, etc. Additionally they decided to stock pile funds for the same reason to help prepare for Christ return so that he would have a significant war chest, and I believe they are approaching a trillion now. Every Mormon was also required to carry at least a year supply of food for his entire family, which is always great to have in the hurricanes, etc., and they are definitely willing to share with neighbors.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:24 pm to northshorebamaman
All religions are bs and all are based upon the truth. We all are immortal energy beings of incredible power aka souls and although this life is highly prized experience its is nothing in your true life
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:26 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:recommended, not required
Every Mormon was also required to carry at least a year supply of food for his entire family
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Are they trying to encourage more shooters?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:47 pm to Bamafig
Wow… was that POS even Mormon?? Just bc it happened in Utah it was automatically a Mormon that did it???
Don’t know of many trans gay Mormons out there killing people!!
Don’t know of many trans gay Mormons out there killing people!!
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:54 pm to CatfishJohn
In terms of earning our way into Heaven, yes.
Also in comparison to what He gave up for our salvation (His Son), yes.
You could easily teach an entire lesson on that verse, and its explanation, but most Christians understand it and are familiar with its meaning.
Also in comparison to what He gave up for our salvation (His Son), yes.
You could easily teach an entire lesson on that verse, and its explanation, but most Christians understand it and are familiar with its meaning.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:01 pm to N2cars
quote:You’re saying Christianity is not incentive based because salvation is through Christ, not through our own works. Fair enough.
Your very first sentence is completely incorrect.
Christianity is not incentive based.
Good works dont get you into Heaven, and in fact, God looks upon them as filthy rags.
Christianity is based upon Jesus Christ, and we He did for us, not what we do for ourselves.
ETA: spelling
But if that’s the case, then where exactly does “Christian morality” come from? Because Christians usually argue that morality itself is grounded in God and revealed through Jesus. If morality is not tied to the reward structure, and it is not tied to works, then is it separate from God altogether?
Either morality is rooted in God, which means Christians are still motivated by the reward of heaven, or it is not, which means morality exists outside Christianity and undercuts the whole “without God there is no morality” claim. Which one is it?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:09 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:of course it does
which means morality exists outside Christianity
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:11 pm to olemc999
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Mormons>Jews
Mormons are the real jews
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:24 pm to northshorebamaman
I believe you've taken an extraordinarily simple thing (God's love for us), and are making it overly complicated. Many very intelligent and learned folks have done exactly the same thing, so please don't take that as a slight.
We know that our good works dont get us into Heaven, but we also know that faith without works is dead.
Yet, we are encouraged by God and His teachings to do good things, to love our fellow man ( parable of good Samaritan) to show our love for Him.
Now, stay with me and compare that morality.
( I hope I have clarity for you)
Even though we are saved by Jesus and washed in His blood, we still sin, right?
Much like children, we know what our parents taught us, but we still did wrong things.
But we also sometimes reconsider and did the right things.
Partially because it was the right thing, or oftentimes, because we love our parents and dont want to disappoint them (Him).
And honestly, the right things He teaches us are for own good; don't steal, commit adultery, murder, etc
And God promises us Heaven, if you want to term that a reward, that's fine, but most Christians desire God's love. We already know, as we all do, that in this fallen world there will be pain and trouble. And as Christians , we believe that this world is not our real Home.
We know that our good works dont get us into Heaven, but we also know that faith without works is dead.
Yet, we are encouraged by God and His teachings to do good things, to love our fellow man ( parable of good Samaritan) to show our love for Him.
Now, stay with me and compare that morality.
( I hope I have clarity for you)
Even though we are saved by Jesus and washed in His blood, we still sin, right?
Much like children, we know what our parents taught us, but we still did wrong things.
But we also sometimes reconsider and did the right things.
Partially because it was the right thing, or oftentimes, because we love our parents and dont want to disappoint them (Him).
And honestly, the right things He teaches us are for own good; don't steal, commit adultery, murder, etc
And God promises us Heaven, if you want to term that a reward, that's fine, but most Christians desire God's love. We already know, as we all do, that in this fallen world there will be pain and trouble. And as Christians , we believe that this world is not our real Home.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:25 pm to cgrand
quote:Well, sure, that's what I think. But I can post plenty of examples from this board of Christians claiming otherwise:
of course it does
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Posted on 9/12/25 at 5:45 pm to prplhze2000
when someone decides that there is not afterlife,it is very likely that his moral boundaries disappear, because at that point nothing matters but his own enjoyment and will.
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Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:50 pm to mmmmmbeeer
That’s all relative. There’s no such thing as objective truth if there’s no objective standard to compare things against. In the absence of God, no objective standard for morality exists. Each individual makes up his own relative truths and each society makes up its own relative truths. Then, those individuals and societies continually change those “truths” as people change their minds and as public opinion changes.
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Posted on 9/13/25 at 11:17 am to prplhze2000
Just where do you think morality comes from? Did it evolve along with mankind as some would believe? When exactly did the ameba’s triangulate to form an opinion on what is considered right and wrong?
Morality was instituted by God. It is inherently put in you from the time of conception to guide you through your life. Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God.
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. As a Christian, I’m 100% convinced that I would murder all of you and take your stuff- if there were no God, no Heaven, no Hell- no consequences. I’m also convinced that each and every one of us/you would do the same.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:29 pm to northshorebamaman
There are certainly good, moral people that aren't Christians.
In this very thread, we see Mormons doing great things to help their fellow man.
I dont personally know any Christian that looks at a non-Christian and automatically says that person is a bad, or immoral person.
On another note, ir isn't my, or any Christians' decision on who does or does not, get to Heaven.
As always, that decision is His alone.
In this very thread, we see Mormons doing great things to help their fellow man.
I dont personally know any Christian that looks at a non-Christian and automatically says that person is a bad, or immoral person.
On another note, ir isn't my, or any Christians' decision on who does or does not, get to Heaven.
As always, that decision is His alone.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:29 pm to N2cars
I follow what you’re saying, and I’m not disputing the faith vs. works distinction. But let me bring it back to the principle. Christians often argue that morality itself comes from God, and that without Him there is no true morality.
If that’s the case, then isn’t “Christian morality” still built on the belief that following God leads to the ultimate reward of eternal life? Even if salvation is through Christ and not through our works, the moral framework is still tied to a promised outcome.
Remember, this started with someone calling Mormon morality “fake” because it was tied to reward. My point was that Christianity runs into the same issue
.
If you say it isn’t, then you’re left with a position where morality exists outside of God’s promise. Which one do you want to stand on?
If that’s the case, then isn’t “Christian morality” still built on the belief that following God leads to the ultimate reward of eternal life? Even if salvation is through Christ and not through our works, the moral framework is still tied to a promised outcome.
Remember, this started with someone calling Mormon morality “fake” because it was tied to reward. My point was that Christianity runs into the same issue
.
If you say it isn’t, then you’re left with a position where morality exists outside of God’s promise. Which one do you want to stand on?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:32 pm to northshorebamaman
Well, you have to use discernment, right?
This is an anonymous message board.
Satan will use every trick in the book, including your own intellect, to prevent you from knowing God.
He is at war with us, and your eternal soul is the his reward.
This is an anonymous message board.
Satan will use every trick in the book, including your own intellect, to prevent you from knowing God.
He is at war with us, and your eternal soul is the his reward.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:32 pm to N2cars
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There are certainly good, moral people that aren't Christians.
In this very thread, we see Mormons doing great things to help their fellow man.
I dont personally know any Christian that looks at a non-Christian and automatically says that person is a bad, or immoral person.
On another note, ir isn't my, or any Christians' decision on who does or does not, get to Heaven.
As always, that decision is His alone.
Fair enough. I agree. Again, this is all in response to the claim that Mormon morality is fake because it's tied to eternal reward. If you don't believe, that none of this applied to you, but I appreciate the thoughtful replies.Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:41 pm to northshorebamaman
We see Mormons doing good, moral things ( as the World defines them), and we have people here saying that they are Christian and are certainly good enough to get into Heaven.
If you are asking me if they're good, moral people, I would say "Yes" as the world defines them, just as I would say "No" if asked if a murderer or child molester is a moral person.
Now, if you're asking me if that gives them grace and God would allow them into Heaven, I would say "no", based on what Ive been taught.
If you are asking me if they're good, moral people, I would say "Yes" as the world defines them, just as I would say "No" if asked if a murderer or child molester is a moral person.
Now, if you're asking me if that gives them grace and God would allow them into Heaven, I would say "no", based on what Ive been taught.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:42 pm to northshorebamaman
Well, are gonna blow stuff up, or not?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:46 pm to N2cars
quote:So we've agreed this entire time and it's the person I initially responded to that your argument is with.
If you are asking me if they're good, moral people, I would say "Yes" as the world defines them,
quote:I am not. My argument was solely with the claim that Mormon morality is "fake" because it's only in service of an eternal reward.
Now, if you're asking me if that gives them grace and God would allow them into Heaven
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