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re: Millennials Work Harder for the Same Pay Their Parents Did
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:18 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:18 pm to RollTide1987
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My dad worked way harder than me.
Same here. He kicked arse.
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:21 pm to wadewilson
Then you got the boomers who didn't manage their money and won't just fade away. frick them too.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I'd say my dad worked almost as hard as me, and he did it for 37 years.
Difference is, I'm on salary working 70 hours a week, popping bottles if I get a $7500 bonus at end of year and he was a union man, making roughly 2.5 times as much as me, and only working excessive hours for a couple months a year, on time and a half.
The money this next generation in the workforce makes and puts back into the economy is unsustainable.
I have student loans. I don't make enough money. I rent. I don't own a car. I work every day and most nights. I'm not putting a red cent back into the economy, I'm not having children, and it'll be years before that changes.
Difference is, I'm on salary working 70 hours a week, popping bottles if I get a $7500 bonus at end of year and he was a union man, making roughly 2.5 times as much as me, and only working excessive hours for a couple months a year, on time and a half.
The money this next generation in the workforce makes and puts back into the economy is unsustainable.
I have student loans. I don't make enough money. I rent. I don't own a car. I work every day and most nights. I'm not putting a red cent back into the economy, I'm not having children, and it'll be years before that changes.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:27 pm to wadewilson
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Because Billie Sue didn't do a frickin thing besides that one menial task, and she was in an office full of people with a similar, singular focus in their job. Now, Billie Sue and half a dozen other people are retired or dead, and it's up to one late 20's college grad to do all of their work for 60% of the pay, because some buttfricking boomer wants to slim down his company's financial burden so it'll look good for the coming merger and his retirement portfolio.
Are you complaining about the advances in technology that enables us to be more efficient or the fact that a manager is being smart with his business?
Jobs are supply and demand. If the company wants you and you are worth the money you can negotiate a higher salary. If there is someone slightly less skilled that will do it for less do you blame the company for saving the money?
I have negotiated salaries vastly different than what the original offer was for because I was bringing something to the table that the company wanted/needed. If all you have is a college degree then you don't have the skills needed. A college degree shows you can accomplish tasks and memorize facts (I have a degree and understand that I learned way more in my first 2 years working than the 5 years I was in college).
If you need someone to wash your car and 2 people show up .. one saying they will do it for 60% less ... you would choose that person to wash your car. If you needed detailing and some small dents repaired you may be willing to hire the more expensive one because they have the capability to do it.
Just because you have a piece of paper doesn't mean you know your job, industry or are a worthwhile worker.
These same people complaining about lower starting salaries will be complaining at the end of the year when profit sharing is lower. Yet they will fail to grasp the fact that they are part of the reason that the profits are down.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:37 pm to drhuggybear
What if I told you that I wasn't making that story up?
I am that late 20's underpaid grad with several years industry experience, there are several "Billie Sue's" that were formerly in my office whose responsibilities I have inherited, my company is the one that slimmed up before a merger, and my national CEO is the buttfricking boomer who wanted to look good for his new husband, the merger partner.
There are no advances in technology that resulted in my office shrinking by about 80% - there's just a disloyal company that realized it could abuse and stress an employee because he needed the job.
Everything you are saying about personal, professional development - I am experienced and wise enough to agree with you 100%. I'm also angry, overworked, and overwhelmed, and I fully plan on my next company appreciating the training I've received here, and my current company suffering upon my untimely and immediate departure.
frick loyalty to employer, until they prove they've earned it. This is America.
I am that late 20's underpaid grad with several years industry experience, there are several "Billie Sue's" that were formerly in my office whose responsibilities I have inherited, my company is the one that slimmed up before a merger, and my national CEO is the buttfricking boomer who wanted to look good for his new husband, the merger partner.
There are no advances in technology that resulted in my office shrinking by about 80% - there's just a disloyal company that realized it could abuse and stress an employee because he needed the job.
Everything you are saying about personal, professional development - I am experienced and wise enough to agree with you 100%. I'm also angry, overworked, and overwhelmed, and I fully plan on my next company appreciating the training I've received here, and my current company suffering upon my untimely and immediate departure.
frick loyalty to employer, until they prove they've earned it. This is America.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:39 pm to LoveThatMoney
I don't know what a millenial is.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:40 pm to wadewilson
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I'd say my dad worked almost as hard as me, and he did it for 37 years.
Difference is, I'm on salary working 70 hours a week, popping bottles if I get a $7500 bonus at end of year and he was a union man, making roughly 2.5 times as much as me, and only working excessive hours for a couple months a year, on time and a half.
When I was young, the old timers told us to go to college not to make more money, but to keep from doing the back breaking work our parents did.
People are too hung up on work, careers etc. Live simply, stop keeping up with the Jones, find something that you enjoy that allows a good work/life balance.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
My dad didn't do back-breaking work. He had a great job.
My parents wanted me to go to college not for job prep, but because they knew I had a good head on my shoulders and that I wanted a higher education.
My parents wanted me to go to college not for job prep, but because they knew I had a good head on my shoulders and that I wanted a higher education.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
And work/life balance is one of those cheesy corporate phrases that does have real meaning.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:51 pm to wadewilson
I went to college to learn, not to prepare for a career necessarily.
However, it's not longer cost effective to do that. It really wasn't then, either. Today it's not necessary to step on a campus to gain knowledge, but it is to prepare for a white collar career.
However, it's not longer cost effective to do that. It really wasn't then, either. Today it's not necessary to step on a campus to gain knowledge, but it is to prepare for a white collar career.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I think another part of the.. distaste.. millennials (at least the employed ones) are feeling..
I have the same job responsibilities as another individual (a boomer) who makes nearly double what I make. I handle nearly double his volume of work in half the time it takes him to do it. That success is rewarded.. with more work or a small raise (which does nothing to improve my station because of rising healthcare costs, rising cost of rent, or putting it towards my student loans).
It's the realization that quite often jobs are given to friends.. and it's not always merit based.
At least for me the worst part is that i really love my job
I have the same job responsibilities as another individual (a boomer) who makes nearly double what I make. I handle nearly double his volume of work in half the time it takes him to do it. That success is rewarded.. with more work or a small raise (which does nothing to improve my station because of rising healthcare costs, rising cost of rent, or putting it towards my student loans).
It's the realization that quite often jobs are given to friends.. and it's not always merit based.
At least for me
the worst part is that i really love my job This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:23 pm to bmy
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I have the same job responsibilities as another individual (a boomer) who makes nearly double what I make. I handle nearly double his volume of work in half the time it takes him to do it.
If I worked in a place such as this and wasn't rewarded for my effort, I would move on.
I've found family businesses no matter how large or small are shitty places to work.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yes! Excellent observation.
I've found family businesses no matter how large or small are shitty places to work
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:55 pm to Bullfrog
The solution to this problem is the same solution as fixing all the old fricked up retirement systems the boomers got to enjoy and completely destroyed for the rest of us. Wait for the death of the boomers in mass numbers. Which is not that far away and may have already started.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:11 pm to Dam Guide
I've always found it difficult for a company to truly take advantage of a worker. Any time a company gave me trouble, I usually hit back by being lazy or unproductive, and worked side deals that benefitted me. That way I brought the balance back.
Luckily right now I love my job and company, so I work hard for them. But at the end of the day, every worker should know that they need to look out for themselves first and foremost.
Luckily right now I love my job and company, so I work hard for them. But at the end of the day, every worker should know that they need to look out for themselves first and foremost.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:16 pm to LoveThatMoney
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...today's 30-year-olds are 50% more likely to have finished college. They also work in an economy that is 70% more productive.
That credits Millennial education and skill sets with increased economic production. Technology is a force-multiplier and has done most of the heavy lifting respecting increased productivity. If you work hard, pursue excellence, stop the incessant whining and blaming old people you might make yourself invaluable to your company and perhaps do quite well.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:19 pm to Hammertime
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They wanted someone more experienced, but who would settle for entry level pay
When people want "2-3 Years Experience" to be an administrative assistant or something of equal level, you know it's messed up.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:19 pm to LoveThatMoney
Millennial with an education may work hard, but the ones in vocational positions are lazy as hell.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 12:29 am to purpleleaf
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rick off millennial. No way this young generation works hard...hell they hardly work.
You won't be running that yapper when some of the "young generation" have to change your diaper at the old folks home
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