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re: Millennials earn 20% less than Boomers did at same stage of life

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Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:27 pm to
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Like the spiraling cost of education or the over education of America?


Sure, but the over education part isn't as crazy as it seems.

From 1950-1980, the percentage of Americans over 25 with bachelor degrees rose 161% cumulatively, or 3.25% annual growth rate. From 1980-2014, the growth was 97.3%, annual growth of 2.02%.

You may think that only covers the total population and the real issue is new college grads are coming in a much higher numbers, but only 34% of those age 25-29 have a bachelor's degree in 2014. That isn't too far out of line with the overall numbers.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:31 pm to
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Well, when a large chunk of people are still doing that at age 35, you have a problem


What kind of degrees?

There are faaaar more frivolous degrees than there used to be. Those people are looking for white collar work with a less than blue collar skill
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:36 pm to
My generation generally sucks, but all of my close friends own their own home and make north of 70k. People make bullshite excuses for their failure. Out of college I had 25k in student loan debt and I decided to take a job making 33k in DC that provided an additional 900 per month in student loan payments. as soon as that shite was paid off I found a job that tripled my salary. Life is what you make it. Sucks to suck
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:38 pm to
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Someone is mad.

Ya'll think he mad?



Oh he mad


Sure hope he doesn't spill my drink he's serving me while he throws his little fit
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:38 pm to
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My generation generally sucks, but all of my close friends own their own home and make north of 70k


Most of the millenials I know seem to be doing fairly well for them self.
Posted by DCtiger1
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:39 pm to
It seems to be the tail end of our generation
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:48 pm to
Don't worry, I don't have enough patience to serve tables, and like drinking too much to work at a bar. Starting at age 12 cutting grass, and then going to the courthouse to get approval to work a real job when I was 14, I probably have worked more manual labor than 99% of the OT though. I enjoy hard work. Soft work is what annoys me
Posted by Milk
central
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:50 pm to
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Whites still earn dramatically more than Blacks and Latinos, reflecting the legacy of discrimination for jobs, education and housing.



This is the most, taken out of context statistic i have ever scene.

Very few entry level positions that dont require advanced degrees have negotiable salaries. The starting pay is set before the job is posted.

If a company actually started rank and file off at different pay levels according to race or sex it would have been on 60 minutes and nightly news.

This is a unicorn people are chasing.

Now if they showed the rankings the races and sexes have as to how prepared they are when leaving high school either entering the work force or college that would be more telling.

Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:53 pm to
Are they underemployed? Are they doing what they want? Should, could, or would they be doing better if the economy wasn't fricked and hiring practices were more realistic?


There's no problem once you hit the 3-5 year mark in your career. The problem is getting to that point
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:54 pm to
Ok so you enjoy manual labor and have a good work ethic ( considering your initiative as a teenager). Why don't you try starting your own company? You know grass cutting, could you build that into a business now? what about a manual labor position- even if you have to start at the bottom? Seems you'd move up soon enough.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89785 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:56 pm to
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It usually takes a few years, champ. It doesn't get handed to you




Well they used to give you a little more than they do now...





So productivity has gone up significantly, but average wages haven't kept pace whatsoever. Moreover, wages in the bottom 20 percentile - where you'd expect to find new workers with little to no experience - have actually gone down in real terms since 1979. Wages for the lower 40th percentile haven't grown since 2000 in real terms. Oh, and they're cutting benefits too...



Those Gen X college grads hit the sweet spot:



and income inequality is only growing over time:




Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
10226 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:58 pm to
Who's they? The economy isn't fricked in Texas. Business is booming and their is an explosion of growth. Taking personal responsibility is a major issue with my generation. Most of us want everything handed to us because we think we deserve it.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89785 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:58 pm to
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My generation generally sucks, but all of my close friends own their own home and make north of 70k.


Most of your close friends probably have degrees too, but it doesn't change the fact that most - 2/3rds or so - millennials do not have bachelor degrees. For the umpteenth time in this thread, the little bubbles we all live in don't mean jack shite to the overall averages.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 2:03 pm to
If I wanted to cut grass as a career, I would've done that years ago. Even manual labor positions are hard to find because 1) I'm overqualified, and 2) I'm white.

I am working a light manual labor job now. Light compared what I've done in the past. I am also supposed to be doing some CAD work soon. Still not able to utilize my more advanced skills, but it is okay for what I'm trying to do.


The bottom line is that finding this job and landing this job was not easy. I just got lucky because I went in for a lesser job and they placed me here based on my knowledge. Got lucky being the keyword. I didn't meet their minimum stated requirements for the posting, yet I'm still overqualified IRL
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
10226 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 2:09 pm to
Well none of us came from money but we all seemed to make something out of ourselves. Laziness and lack of desire to work towards something better or more purposeful seems to be common.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
37609 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 2:09 pm to
Does location have a lot to do with some of these problems?
This post was edited on 1/14/17 at 2:10 pm
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
65847 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 2:09 pm to
Hammertime,
Just to let you know, many employees of all ages are what is referred to as "underemployed". It may be accentuated with the younger employee, but it's real across the generations. Companies have done a couple of things over the last decade or so (not all tied to Obama, don't want to make this political). What they have done is
A. learned to jsut layoff and cut labor costs from the top down. Any scalebacks affect everyone from the factory worker to upper white collar management types.
B. Offer no incentives to stay due to eliminating pensions
C. Generally reduced all benefits and overall pay.

I know plenty of folks in their 50's who can't find a job anymore, know some in their 50's who took massive paycuts when their jobs were eliminated, some that are now doing "remedial" type work, like working as a supervisor in a grocery store.

It just sucks all around of how we still are struggling with a tepid economy.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
57874 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 2:09 pm to
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I'm overqualified,
this is another thing some people don't get. if you have a marketable degree and you are having a hard time finding a job, lots of manual labor employers are going to shy away from hiring you because they know you're going to jump asap to a job that pertains to your major.
Posted by Blob Fish
Member since Mar 2016
3091 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 2:15 pm to
I think salaries are less of a problem for millenials than entitlement. Everybody thinks they deserve an iPhone, an expensive home, an expensive car, etc. Nobody saves money anymore. It's ridiculous.

FWIW it's not limited to just millenials. Americans in general are terrible with money. It's why we should remove arts from schools and make them electives, replacing arts with finance and business. Things that actually matter.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282189 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 2:16 pm to
I know quite a few guys working construction with college degrees. They make more working 6 months in construction than they would with their degree.

The "overqualified" issue is going away, underemoyment is a way of life.
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