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Medical procedure coverage and denied claims

Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:09 pm
Posted by mpar98
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:09 pm
lets say a Dr's office tells you a procedure is completely covered by your insurance...then begins billing you for the procedure because the insurance denied coverage. Is this grounds for small claims court?
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:12 pm to
Did you sign something with the word guarantor on it?
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:12 pm to
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Is this grounds for small claims court?
Sure. Better call Saul.
Posted by forksup
Member since Dec 2013
8817 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:13 pm to
Wouldn't you want to confirm with the insurance before going under the knife? They're the ones paying/not paying for the procedure...
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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69255 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:15 pm to
Do you have a deductible?
Posted by cascade
Ruston
Member since Nov 2011
346 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:17 pm to
Why did coverage get denied? If they forgot to get something as simple as a preauthorization and are making you pay for that mistake, yea I'd be pissed.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:18 pm to
quote:

lets say a Dr's office tells you a procedure is completely covered by your insurance...then begins billing you for the procedure because the insurance denied coverage. Is this grounds for small claims court?



It should be
Posted by MrSmith
Member since Sep 2009
8319 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:20 pm to
Was there no preauthorization done?
Posted by mpar98
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2006
8041 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:43 pm to
Drs office says there was one done...and patient was notified verbally this was covered. Patient never signed a financial consent form bc of that...is the Drs office completely screwed or what?
Posted by cascade
Ruston
Member since Nov 2011
346 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:55 pm to
I'd have to see the EOB to know why it was denied.

Just because it's covered by insurance doesn't mean you won't have to pay anything, especially if you have one of those big arse $5600 deductibles.
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
11727 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:58 pm to
Confirmation of coverage is not complete until the insurance company receives and processes the claim. The insurance company most likely told your doctor's office the procedure(s) was/were covered then upon processing the claim altered their initial interpretation.
Posted by SamuelClemens
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:59 pm to
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Just because it's covered by insurance doesn't mean you won't have to pay anything, especially if you have one of those big arse $5600 deductibles


Yes. Also verification of coverage does not mean you will have no responsibility, it simply means the insurance company approves of the procedure. Then they adjust the billed amount(s) and make determination of who pays and how much.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:00 pm to
You don't have to go to small claims court. What did it deny for?
Posted by mpar98
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2006
8041 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:01 pm to
Says the procedure is experimental
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:04 pm to
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Why did coverage get denied? If they forgot to get something as simple as a preauthorization and are making you pay for that mistake, yea I'd be pissed.


Pissed? Yes. Not responsible? No. Ultimately it is the patient's responsibility to verify and ensure coverage before any procedure is done. Unless it's an HMO organization like Kaiser, the doctor does not work for the insurance company. The doctor is simply allowing the insurance company to vouch for you so you don't have to pay at time of service.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:11 pm to
Call the Drs office and ask them what CPT code was billed and what diagnosis/ICD-9 code was billed. With the info from your Drs office call your insurance and speak to someone in the claims department. Ask them why the claim was denied, the CPT/procedure code or the diagnosis code. Usually when a claim is denied by the insurance as experimental it's because the wrong code was billed whether it was the actual procedure code or diagnosis code.
Posted by cascade
Ruston
Member since Nov 2011
346 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:13 pm to
Oh I've gotten a few of those, I had to file an appeal to why the procedure was necessary and they paid us. Had to get my provider to type up some medical records also.

I'm assuming bluecross/blueshield insurance.
Posted by nguyt518
Member since Apr 2015
207 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:14 pm to
Take the day off work, as this will take hours and you'll talk to atleast a dozen different people.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
10308 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:16 pm to
Usually when you call the Drs office and start using fancy terms like ICD-9 and CPT they will re-review and catch mistakes. My wife does it all the time (and gets her friends to do it too).
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18921 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:27 pm to
My wife went to one of those chain dentistry places for a checkup. They asked her about having sealant work, and claimed that her insurance would cover it 100%. She agreed to go ahead and have it done, but a month or two later we get a bill for $1,000.

After talking with the insurance company, it was very clear that they would not cover it at all. We called the dentist's office, and they pulled up the info again showing coverage. After a little back and forth with their corporate office they tried to deal with us and cut the bill in half.

We refused to pay, and didn't hear anything again until a claims company contacted us after almost a year. My wife emailed the office manager about it, and she was then CCed on an email to the corporate billing department about their error. We also decided to file a claim with the BBB.

By the time the BBB followed up with us we received a letter saying everything had been settled. The weird thing is that supposedly the office manager got in trouble for the email. Even weirder is that when researching that dental company, they had a lot of similar claims against them.
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