re: Mayor Landrieu declares Civil War over; Monuments coming down

I really hate when people bring up the fact that black people owned slaves because it assumes that the other person is implying that white people are bad for owning bad instead of just agreeing slavery in itself is horrible.
You can't get anywhere with someone trying to explain wgy African Americans are generations behind their counterparts when the other person is only concerned with making sure you know black people owned slaves too
.I hold no I'll will towards white people for slavery only 1% of the population was slave owners and even if they did who cares it was the times. But w got to get past these gotcha quotes

We got people trying to take down a statue of Jackson and we got black kids in high school who don't even know who Andrew Jackson is. We got people demanding change but don't want to work for it

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I really hate when people bring up the fact that black people owned slaves because it assumes that the other person is implying that white people are bad for owning bad instead of just agreeing slavery in itself is horrible.

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exactly... slavery, in and of itself, regardless of who did the selling of the slaves, who did the owning, etc., was bad... saying free blacks owned slaved is akin to saying "how bad could it be if other blacks owned slaves?".... the answer is still "pretty fricking bad", that's how bad it could be....

as far as the Civil War, you had one side fighting to end slavery, and one side fighting to continue it... when to boil it all down, THAT is what it really came down to.... i'm not saying you have to disavow your heritage as a southerner, but maybe some part of that heritage you don't necessarily have to be so proud about, and that's okay... it doesn't make you any less southern if you say the shite the south was fighting to keep was a disgusting and terrible practice... it was... it's pretty easy to say i'm proud of my heritage, except for slavery

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.....is the prime issue, NOT statues,KKK,antifa,democrats,republicans or the current outrage/disrespect of the month !
As long as "community leaders",elected officials and honest citizens continue to IGNORE what ails this nation,we'll make NO progress !
Take advantage of every opportunity to better educate yourself,reject the welfare state,take the more difficult "high road" more often than not. Don't have babies until you can afford to....women...don't allow yourself to become entrapped/bamboozled by your young suitors !
WHY don't our "leaders" hammer this message instead of looking for scapegoats and offering meaningless and costly "feel good" programs ? In short...do your best to do the RIGHT thing ! Are there truly no true leaders in this great nation ?

Most slaves brought to America from Africa were purchased from black slave owners.

Sort of true. Historian Steven Mintz describes the situation more accurately in the introduction to his book African-American Voices: A Documentary Reader, 1619-1877:

Apologists for the African slave trade long argued that European traders did not enslave anyone: they simply purchased Africans who had already been enslaved and who otherwise would have been put to death. Thus, apologists claimed, the slave trade actually saved lives. Such claims represent a gross distortion of the facts. Some independent slave merchants did in fact stage raids on unprotected African villages and kidnap and enslave Africans. Most professional slave traders, however, set up bases along the west African coast where they purchased slaves from Africans in exchange for firearms and other goods. Before the end of the seventeenth century, England, France, Denmark, Holland, and Portugal had all established slave trading posts on the west African coast.

Yet to simply say that Europeans purchased people who had already been enslaved seriously distorts historical reality. While there had been a slave trade within Africa prior to the arrival of Europeans, the massive European demand for slaves and the introduction of firearms radically transformed west and central African society. A growing number of Africans were enslaved for petty debts or minor criminal or religious offenses or following unprovoked raids on unprotected villages. An increasing number of religious wars broke out with the goal of capturing slaves. European weapons made it easier to capture slaves.
Slavery was common for thousands of years.

True, as noted above — though how “common” slavery has been and what the specific nature of that slavery was has varied according to time and place.



Everyone race, culture, and most of the major countries owned ad sold slaves along time ago....

I bet your house is filled with unicorns and rainbows.

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I defending fighting for something that was legal at the time.

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ahh... but once the Emancipation Proclamation came out it became illegal... that's why the south said frick that shite and decided to secede... therefore, my premise still holds...

so, slavery, at the time Lee was fighting for the CSA was illegal according to the US... child porn, obviously illegal.... i'm saying if Lee was fighting for the states rights to produce and consume child porn, would you look at him differently?

Do you ever get sick of being such a virtue signaler?

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Do you ever get sick of being such a virtue signaler?

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IRL, i don't... but this is a forum to discuss topics... anything that i add to a discussion could be construed as a signal for virtue, i suppose, depending on who's reading...

better question is why does my point of view bother you that much, ant that by trying to be a nicer human being on my time on earth i'm a "virtue signaler"? tbh, i don't think what i do is anything special, i'm just sharing my life experiences and opinions on some random website... if i really wanted to signal my virtue i'd create my own site and promote it here for all to see...

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Then you follow it up with a catchy cliche

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i wasn't trying to....

i dunno man... it just sucks to see the hate, injustice, and intolerance from all sides, from all corners of the earth, and for some to be insulated from a lot of that and think nothing's wrong, or that nothing can be done.... i really have a desire to at least make the world around me better, while i'm here...

I mean

even in the bible


In Leviticus


They didn't force people to be slaves. slaves back then are not how we think of slaves today. If you kidnapped someone and forced them into slavery you were put to death.

slavery was basically back then an option for poor people to be taken care of. if you were poor and needed a roof over your head someone bought you and took care of you.


the roman / american slavery was really the worst of humanity