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re: Massive angry crowd gathering outside of S Hampton Police in support of Nowak
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:51 pm to Fat and Happy
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:51 pm to Fat and Happy
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The UK will become a Muslim dominate country alot faster than people think and all because britains don’t push back
And then they will do a round 2 of Lebanon's civil war after the Muslims became the majority.
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:08 pm to ThePoo
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Are they brainwashed or are they scared to do anything at all that could be perceived as racist out of fear of being fired, doxed, thrown in jail, having their live's turned upside down
I'm sure it's both and hard to separate in some sense. But they've fully internalized it in a way that most in the US (or at least a healthy contingent) have not. Here a lot of people operate this way in their job or online or whatever, but they haven't become kapos about it. And you have a very robust and loud (if unfairly handled) opposition.
In the UK, the opposition as I perceive it is much smaller, and the likelihood of some random UK man saying "that's a bit racist mate" in response to some mundane statement of preference over immigration policy is much higher than the everyman equivalent in the US, I think.
But they do have - as you point out - a heightened risk of governmental punishment in addition to the social consequences we have here.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:12 pm to Centinel
Both the assailant and victim were born in England, so neither were immigrants. Henry Nowak was first generation by way of Poland but we don’t know about the killer.
Still it’s probably fair to say that this was a clash of cultures which may be your larger point.
Still it’s probably fair to say that this was a clash of cultures which may be your larger point.
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:16 pm to Easy
Personally, I think this case is a pretty mediocre one to spell the demographic/racist doom of the UK in terms of the crime itself. I don't really care about the Kirpan thing, and I don't really think there is a ton of Sikh racism towards whites or anything.
What it really shows is the absurd double standard of a society that takes plastic knives and garden tools from citizens but is too scared to tell a religious minority they can't carry swords. And of course, the instinct of the police to concerns themselves more with whether verbal violence happened than actual, "I'm about to die right now of multiple stab wounds" violence.
What it really shows is the absurd double standard of a society that takes plastic knives and garden tools from citizens but is too scared to tell a religious minority they can't carry swords. And of course, the instinct of the police to concerns themselves more with whether verbal violence happened than actual, "I'm about to die right now of multiple stab wounds" violence.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:25 pm to Pettifogger
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Personally, I think this case is a pretty mediocre one to spell the demographic/racist doom of the UK in terms of the crime itself. I don't really care about the Kirpan thing, and I don't really think there is a ton of Sikh racism towards whites or anything.
What it really shows is the absurd double standard of a society that takes plastic knives and garden tools from citizens but is too scared to tell a religious minority they can't carry swords. And of course, the instinct of the police to concerns themselves more with whether verbal violence happened than actual, "I'm about to die right now of multiple stab wounds" violence.
This is one of the more succinct and level-headed responses I've seen on the topic.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:51 pm to CatfishJohn
another bad egg i suppose.
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In March 2023, Paul Schmidt, 37 was fatally stabbed outside a downtown Starbucks in Canada after asking Inderdeep Singh Gosal (Indian Sikh) not to vape/smoke near his toddler daughter.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:52 pm to Easy
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Still it’s probably fair to say that this was a clash of cultures which may be your larger point.
how so? and a clash of which 2 cultures?
I ask because one of the cultures used an 8-inch “ceremonial” dagger to stab a 17-year-old student multiple times, then initially hopped a fence and ran off. Soon after, he called his mother, who came only to take the murder weapon and hide it. They then called police and lied about him being “racially attacked.”
On the way to the police station, while sitting uncuffed in the back of a police car, they spoke in their native language and planned how to corroborate their story to make him appear innocent. That conversation was recorded, and it was the only reason Vickrum Digwa was convicted.
ohh, btw, here’s a picture of Vickrum’s “ceremonial” dagger:
what a wonderful and beautiful culture.
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:22 pm to Easy
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Still it’s probably fair to say that this was a clash of cultures which may be your larger point.
You think? It’s pretty simple, what was once British culture, AKA Western culture, which has without a doubt made the world a better place doesn’t mix with people from 3rd world shitholes that come in and then not assimilate into a better culture.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:24 pm to Easy
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Still it’s probably fair to say that this was a clash of cultures which may be your larger point.
What would have made this a clash of culture on Nowak's part?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:24 pm to Klark Kent
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another bad egg i suppose.
Well, yeah.
There are like 30 million Sikhs. Find any group that large and identifiable and I can find some bad headlines.
There are 17.9 million Mormons according to google and 99.99% of them are white bread goobers that don't commit violence of any kind. But I can find some terrible fricking headlines for them too.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:30 pm to gizmothepug
no way man.
Every where Sikhs have immigrated to they’ve done nothing but improve things. I can name an endless amount of contributions their culture has enriched Western society with.
Meanwhile, Britain’s contributions are basically meaningless … unless you count tiny little footnotes like the English language, railways, common law, parliamentary government, physics, penicillin, the Industrial Revolution, modern computing, and half the sports the world obsesses over. Pffft.
Every where Sikhs have immigrated to they’ve done nothing but improve things. I can name an endless amount of contributions their culture has enriched Western society with.
Meanwhile, Britain’s contributions are basically meaningless … unless you count tiny little footnotes like the English language, railways, common law, parliamentary government, physics, penicillin, the Industrial Revolution, modern computing, and half the sports the world obsesses over. Pffft.
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:30 pm to Klark Kent
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“ceremonial”
Do the quotes add something for you here?
It is in fact a part of their religion to carry and is ceremonial in a sense. Just because it was used for nefarious purposes doesn't change that.
Per google:
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Available demographic and localized data indicates that adherents of the Sikh faith have exceptionally low rates of involvement in violent crime. Criminological studies and prison population data in countries with significant Sikh populations—such as Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States—consistently show that South Asian and Sikh communities are heavily underrepresented in violent crime statistics relative to their population size.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:31 pm to CatfishJohn
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Well, yeah.
There are like 30 million Sikhs. Find any group that large and identifiable and I can find some bad headlines.
There are 17.9 million Mormons according to google and 99.99% of them are white bread goobers that don't commit violence of any kind. But I can find some terrible fricking headlines for them too.
You better be prepared for the "moDeRAtE" label. You can't disagree with anything he says, no matter how clear and obvious it is, without being a closeted leftist who gets all of their opinions from reddit.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:34 pm to facher08
quote:clearly you don't get the point. it's more than just the violent act. you don't see the government protecting mormons or catering to them or arresting people for speaking out against their inappropriate ways.
You better be prepared for the "moDeRAtE" label. You can't disagree with anything he says, no matter how clear and obvious it is, without being a closeted leftist who gets all of their opinions from reddit.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:37 pm to facher08
To get this out of the way, I'm a republican that voted for Trump and I'm pretty "red-pilled" on race and religion and who from each group is responsible for what.
I also have some knowledge about Sikhs and known a few personally. They are one of the most misunderstood groups in the world I think.
I feel dirty having to share politics on here to ensure people don't let their political brain rot get in the way of a discussion, but here I am.
I also have some knowledge about Sikhs and known a few personally. They are one of the most misunderstood groups in the world I think.
I feel dirty having to share politics on here to ensure people don't let their political brain rot get in the way of a discussion, but here I am.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:38 pm to CatfishJohn
because there is nothing ceremonial about it. It’s clearly a very large knife / basically a sword that only a protected group of people get to have on them.
As apart of my religion and culture, I need a “ceremonial” 12-gauge shotgun. It’s completely harmless of course, strictly an artifact of my culture.
As apart of my religion and culture, I need a “ceremonial” 12-gauge shotgun. It’s completely harmless of course, strictly an artifact of my culture.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:39 pm to faraway
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clearly you don't get the point. it's more than just the violent act. you don't see the government protecting mormons or catering to them or arresting people for speaking out against their inappropriate ways.
The UK government is completely lost as it relates to their policies and racial "progress".
I just chimed in because people often conflate Sikhs with Muslims (which is very much not the case) and because of that assume they're a violent/radical group (which is very much not the case).
This incident is terrible and these specific people aren't good people.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:39 pm to facher08
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You can't disagree with anything he says, no matter how clear and obvious it is, without being a closeted leftist who gets all of their opinions from reddit.
let me know when you accomplish this and we’ll talk.
CatfishJohn is good, I’ve read his posts enough to know where he stands. And he’s bringing valid points to the discussion between us, which to me, boils down how one class of people are allowed to carry such a weapon on them in public, while every other citizen can’t carry a butter knife in public. And all we hear from the UK media and politicians, when this case comes up is, “another tragedy of the UK knife epidemic”. It’s not “knife epidemic”
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:40 pm to CatfishJohn
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To get this out of the way, I'm a republican that voted for Trump and I'm pretty "red-pilled" on race and religion and who from each group is responsible for what.
I also have some knowledge about Sikhs and known a few personally. They are one of the most misunderstood groups in the world I think.
I feel dirty having to share politics on here to ensure people don't let their political brain rot get in the way of a discussion, but here I am.
It doesn't matter. The people like that have their narrative, and no amount of rationale will change it. They aren't interested in having a conversation in good faith.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 3:41 pm to Klark Kent
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because there is nothing ceremonial about it. It’s clearly a very large knife / basically a sword that only a protected group of people get to have on them.
A tenant of their religion, which was instituted in the 1600s, requires them to carry them. It is absolutely ceremonial to them.
The ones you see in the US do too. shite, I carry a knife too.
If you want to talk about the double standard of UK policy, I agree. I have said as much.
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As apart of my religion and culture, I need a “ceremonial” 12-gauge shotgun. It’s completely harmless of course, strictly an artifact of my culture.
You're not capable of having a coherent conversation about this.
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