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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:15 pm to Psychoanalysis
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:15 pm to Psychoanalysis
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How could it be possible to fire 200 rounds through a door in a casino hotel and no one respond?
Ha, good to see you are coming around.
No one responds because the FBI team of pencil necks monitoring is frantically on their channel saying, "Houston, we got a biiggggggg fricking problem here and we need the cavalry"
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:17 pm to Tiger in NY
quote:
Ha, good to see you are coming around.
Coming around to what?
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No one responds because the FBI team of pencil necks monitoring is frantically on their channel saying, "Houston, we got a biiggggggg fricking problem here and we need the cavalry"
I still find it extremely hard to believe he was a gun runner and this entire thing was set up and facilitated by the FBI and simply a botched gun deal gone wrong. I have not budged on that at all.
If that's the case, then this is basically St. Mary's/three waters from V for Vendetta and revolution is in our near future.
If the FBI set up and facilitated this terrorist attack knowing full well what would happen and refused to stop or intervene the entire time then there are only two options:
1. we are beyond hope. The shadow government and the establishment have won, and we are in desperate need of a bloody revolution to unseat them or they will drill this country into the ground for good.
Or
2. There is no shadow government and the government itself has become so inept, bloated, and out of touch that we are again in need of a revolution to set the country back on course before it collapses under the weight of its own incompetence.
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Finch:I see this chain of events, these coincidences... and I have to ask: What if that isn't what happened? What if someone else unleashed that virus? What if someone else killed all those people? Would you really want to know who it was?
Dominic: Sure.
Finch: Even if it was someone working for this government? That's my question. If our own government was responsible for what happened at St Mary's and Three Waters... if our own government was responsible for the deaths of almost a hundred thousand people... would you really want to know?
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:26 pm to The Mick
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No clue if it's been revised or elaborated on after that.
It has been.
They now say that the squad of officers that arrived around the 12 minute mark went down the hallway toward his room, and then Paddock fired the 200 rounds at them.
What gets me, is before the Campos story changed. Sheriff Lombardo insisted last week that if Campos interrupting Paddock didn't end the shooting, the officers he met after being shot would have ended it because they came onto the 32nd floor from the stairs(that were blocked?), right as Campos arrived back at the stairs after having been shot.
so the timeline was:
Campos goes to the suspects room, which was open.
Suspect fires and hits Campos in the leg.
Campos stumbles back and immediately runs into the police who then go down the hallway, only for Paddock to fire 200 rounds(estimated) at them.
Then Paddock is apparently trying to escape, but kills himself instead.
Now the timeline is:
Before the shooting, Campos arrives on the floor because of an open door alarm at a different room than Paddock's.
Hears Paddock drilling and investigates.
Paddock shoots him.
then the 12 minutes of hell occurs
Campos then meets the officers arriving on the floor
officers go down hall way, 200 rounds, paddock attempts to escape but instead kills himself.
Police and Campos proceed to clear the rest of the floor before Campos is ordered downstairs for treatment.
2 more things really stood out to me while typing this whole thing.
A) If Campos had already been bleeding for well over 10 minutes before the cops arrived, how did he have the energy and wherewithal to stay on the floor for any additional time to help the cops clear the entire fricking floor.
B) The sheriff said very specifically, and reiterated it later, that the room Campos was responding to an open door alarm for, was not one connected to Paddock. But it was close enough to hear Paddock drilling.
What are the odds there is a random open door, on the same floor, and close enough to hear paddock drilling through his door?
I'm kinda starting to think there was someone else up there who they are looking for. They never saw them together on camera necessarily. However, if the Mandalay doesn't have cameras in the hallways and paddock and his accomplice were staying on the same floor, they easily could have worked together safely once they were up on the floor.
It's just too much of a coincidence that there was an open door alarm on the 32nd floor that was within earshot of Paddock using a drill. An open door alarm to a room they claimed was not registered to Paddock.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:28 pm to Psychoanalysis
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200 rounds
That was one of the first pieces of information the Sheriff provided us with. Is it possible that he got that wrong, or was lying about it. Most of the info we got early on was inaccurate or flat out wrong.
I don't think it's posssible to fire 200 rounds from a rifle into a hallway at one of the largest hotels in the world and not injure more than one person.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:31 pm to VaBamaMan
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It's just too much of a coincidence that there was an open door alarm on the 32nd floor that was within earshot of Paddock using a drill. An open door alarm to a room they claimed was not registered to Paddock
I thought the open door alarm was from the emergency door in the hallway? I thought it was him drilling into that door that set off the alarm? Not from an individual room?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:34 pm to VaBamaMan
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However, if the Mandalay doesn't have cameras in the hallways
Also, how the frick do we not know this by now? Hasn't someone just gone to the hotel and looked in the hallways to see if there's a camera? How do we not know if the cameras even exist?
Also, is it possible hotels like the Mandalay Bay have floors/areas specifically without cameras for politicians and rich people to do Wierd shite anonymously while in Vegas and Paddock knew this and thats why he requested that room?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:34 pm to VaBamaMan
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It's just too much of a coincidence that there was an open door alarm on the 32nd floor
Is it though? I mean, it was coincidental yes, and thankfully so, but doors being left ajar at a hotel that size must occur multiple times a day. I'm not familiar with the Mandalay Bay hotel doors, but I've stayed in hotels where the door would remain ajar if I didn't actively make sure it closed. If the Mandalay Bay has some doors that are slightly more a PITA than normal, they could have a good bit of these door issues per day.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:34 pm to Psychoanalysis
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I thought the open door alarm was from the emergency door in the hallway? I thought it was him drilling into that door that set off the alarm? Not from an individual room?
Sheriff said it was from another room, and the stairs were out of the line of sight from Paddock's room. The video someone shot from his door shows how long the hallway is, if Campos had been at the stairs, I doubt he would have heard Paddock drilling.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:36 pm to Psychoanalysis
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Also, how the frick do we not know this by now? Hasn't someone just gone to the hotel and looked in the hallways to see if there's a camera? How do we not know if the cameras even exist?
There is a guy who was posting in this thread early on that works at the Mandalay Bay, but I think he caught a gag order, because he hasn't posted anything in days. I wish he was still around so we could ask him.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:37 pm to Tyga Woods
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I don't think it's posssible to fire 200 rounds from a rifle into a hallway at one of the largest hotels in the world and not injure more than one person.
I agree, but also this leads back to the original discussion of what's in the room. Unless he had a massive belt fed weapon, wouldnt 200 rounds mean he either swapped multiple mags or used multiple guns to attack the door? And no one else reported or investigated this and he was able to just peacefully work for 6 minutes after doing that? And the security guard was doing what for that time?
And what happened in that 6 minutes in the suite? Why did he wait all that time to start shooting?
So, before the shooting, you have an open door alarm, a broken window alarm, a smoke detector, 200 rounds of gunfire inside the hotel, and a missing security guard for 6 minutes and no one in the hotel blinks an eye?
Putting conspiracy theories aside for now, something is wrong with the official timeline and list of facts.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:39 pm to Tyga Woods
quote:I've been to Vegas several times, even staying in Mandalay Bay multiple times. Going back and forth to my room multiple times a day at various times, I almost never encountered someone in my hallway. In fact, I actually found it odd how few people I saw in my hallway at 4 different casino/resorts.
I don't think it's posssible to fire 200 rounds from a rifle into a hallway at one of the largest hotels in the world and not injure more than one person.
Considering what Vegas is and my own experience, I'm not surprised at all that the hallway and rooms were empty. People don't stay in their rooms for long periods of time. And, most people aren't in their rooms or even close to them at that time of night.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:41 pm to hashtag
Ya'll missed the first part of my long post.
The sheriff said that Paddock fired the 200 rounds(an estimation, not a firm number) at the officers who arrived on the floor and started approaching Paddock's room roughly 12 minutes after the shooting started.
The sheriff said that Paddock fired the 200 rounds(an estimation, not a firm number) at the officers who arrived on the floor and started approaching Paddock's room roughly 12 minutes after the shooting started.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:46 pm to Psychoanalysis
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Hasn't someone just gone to the hotel and looked in the hallways to see if there's a camera? How do we not know if the cameras even exist?
They don't, according to tripadvisor: LINK
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:47 pm to VaBamaMan
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The sheriff said that Paddock fired the 200 rounds(an estimation, not a firm number) at the officers who arrived on the floor and started approaching Paddock's room roughly 12 minutes after the shooting started.
Oh. That makes alot more sense. He fired 200 rounds through the door and then one into his own head after incident. That makes a hell of alot more sense.
Although I still don't understand the time line of:
Open door alarm
Security guard investigates
Hears drilling
Reports
Investigates
Gets shot
6 peaceful minutes pass and no one in the hotel notices the problems above
Window alarm
Shooting starts
Smoke detector
10 minutes of absolute hell passes
Cops finally arrive at the scene
Neither hotel nor cops are clear about where the shooting is coming from despite everything above
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:48 pm to ntrcptr
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They don't, according to tripadvisor: LINK
Thank you. So let's put that to rest. And it makes sense, because
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politicians and rich people do Wierd shite anonymously while in Vegas and Paddock knew this and thats why he requested that room
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:59 pm to SwampBandit
I think all the guns just screams that it’s a setup. Total overkill. The hammer too. One guy had no need for all those guns. Especially if he had plans to bomb stuff on the way out.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:03 pm to iluvlsusports
And we are not getting another press conference until Friday
this whole thing is just
this whole thing is just
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:05 pm to iluvlsusports
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think all the guns just screams that it’s a setup. Total overkill. The hammer too. One guy had no need for all those guns. Especially if he had plans to bomb stuff on the way out.
I'm thinking he just over planned. He was too meticulous. Brought that many "just in case". The sheriff did say that several of the guns were jammed, but didn't say how many.
I also still believe the report that he accidentally shot himself while gathering guns together to escape, and that's why he then committed suicide.
The layout of the room in the leaked pictures perfectly matches this hypothesis.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:05 pm to iluvlsusports
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I think all the guns just screams that it’s a setup. Total overkill. The hammer too. One guy had no need for all those guns. Especially if he had plans to bomb stuff on the way out.
How does that scream setup? Would people have believed it any less if he had 4 weapons and 15-20 100 round mags? Seems like if it was a setup you would want to KISS.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:12 pm to iluvlsusports
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I think all the guns just screams that it’s a setup. Total overkill. The hammer too. One guy had no need for all those guns. Especially if he had plans to bomb stuff on the way out.
I agree
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