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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:38 pm to When in Rome
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:38 pm to When in Rome
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It could lead them down a path that will reveal more though and should be followed up on.
Once again, correct. Which is one reason why I don't think they have anything yet
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 1:39 pm
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:39 pm to When in Rome
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The investigators are puzzled by two discoveries: First, a charger was found that does not match any of the cell phones that belonged to Stephen Paddock, the man who killed himself inside the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino after sending a barrage of bullets down on a crowd of 22,000 people below.
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And second, garage records show that during a period when Paddock's car left the hotel garage, one of his key cards was used to get into his room.
Well that's interesting. Leads me to believe he had an accomplice.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:40 pm to Festus
quote:I agree. I also think it's interesting that Marilou vs. the brother vs. neighbors vs. workers who came in contact with him have all painted different pictures of him. The whole case of "who was Stephen Paddock" is very interesting.
Oh, I agree. That alone doesn't mean a thing, really. But coupled with ISIS making a claim that he was one of theirs, and even providing his muslim name, knowing that he did in fact personally visit the Middle East definitely makes things more interesting.
Up until now, he has been portrayed by his brother as a strange, hermit type. There was never any evidence that he had traveled to the mid east, only that his gf did.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:41 pm to When in Rome
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during a period when Paddock's car left the hotel garage
any surveillance of who was driving said vehicle?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:41 pm to Tiger in NY
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A possible left leaning registered democrat
He was not apparently not registered to vote. At least he was never registered in Florida.
His brother is registered but isn't registered with a party.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:42 pm to 13SaintTiger
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What logical conclusion are you able to draw from it? Dude had a bunch of money, and liked to cruise to different places in the world
Didn't say I could form a logical conclusion. Just saying that you dismissing it completely, and continuing to ignore that he committed a mass murder, and that ISIS claimed responsibility, indicates that you are clearly ignoring it.
You refuse to acknowledge that ISIS has said they converted him. Maybe they are lying. But pretending that those 2 things together isn't stronger than one alone makes me wonder why you refuse to even let that thought enter your mind?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:42 pm to 13SaintTiger
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I've taken a bunch of cruises to foreign countries, doesn't really say much. I honestly don't think the investigators have anything yet and are searching every crevice they can
May well be true
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:45 pm to Festus
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You refuse to acknowledge that ISIS has said they converted him. Maybe they are lying. But pretending that those 2 things together isn't stronger than one alone makes me wonder why you refuse to even let that thought enter your mind?
I acknowledge it, but if that is the case why has it taken so long for investigators to confirm?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:45 pm to TigerFred
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And second, garage records show that during a period when Paddock's car left the hotel garage, one of his key cards was used to get into his room.
I mean, he could have simply parked somewhere close by and walked back into the hotel because he forgot something.
But that being said, he checked himself and Danley in, using Danley's player card. So the hotel would have been expecting a woman to be in the room with him. Possibly for the unknown woman who they have him on camera with sometime in the days leading up to this.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:46 pm to When in Rome
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I've taken a bunch of cruises to foreign countries, doesn't really say much.
I agree with this (if you're looking at this bit independently). It could lead them down a path that will reveal more though and should be followed up on.
First it's, tons of people take cruises to the middle east and don't commit mass murder...then its, well lots of people go to the middle east a bunch and end up not committing mass murder....then, plenty of weird old guys with no discernable job for 20 years is a multi-millionaire gambler with no debt...
All these oddities together start painting a picture for me. The only 2 pictures I've seen of him with any women are with Marilou and another Filipina looking woman. Another piece of his puzzle. What does it mean? It could all lead to nothing for all I know.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:47 pm to 13SaintTiger
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I acknowledge it, but if that is the case why has it taken so long for investigators to confirm?
For them to confirm exactly what?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:47 pm to TigerFred
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The investigators are puzzled by two discoveries: First, a charger was found that does not match any of the cell phones that belonged to Stephen Paddock, the man who killed himself inside the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino after sending a barrage of bullets down on a crowd of 22,000 people below.
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And second, garage records show that during a period when Paddock's car left the hotel garage, one of his key cards was used to get into his room.
Sketchy Sketchy
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:48 pm to 13SaintTiger
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His girlfriend didnt. What logical conclusion are you able to draw from it? Dude had a bunch of money, and liked to cruise to different places in the world
Dude's girlfriend was a private high stakes poker dealer in Dubai, which would certainly also put her (and probably him) in potential meetings with the kinds of people who act as go-between and money men for terrorists.
Some connection like that will have to be true, but the pieces are almost there to believe that is close to a realistic scenario.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:49 pm to Festus
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For them to confirm exactly what?
That isis is responsible for this.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:50 pm to Tiger in NY
I'm curious about the whole "brain tumor" theory; like what Charles Whitman had (although, I think that the role of the tumor in his act is still contested). I'm anxiously awaiting the autopsy results for that and to see what kinds of substances, if any, he had in his system.
HuffPo on Charles Whitman
HuffPo on Charles Whitman
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Whitman knew that something was wrong. His note further reads, “After my death I wish that an autopsy would be performed on me to see if there is any visible physical disorder.” And indeed there was. Whitman was found to have a glioblastoma, a type of brain tumor, pressing against regions of the brain thought to be responsible for the regulation of strong emotions.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:56 pm to 13SaintTiger
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That isis is responsible for this.
I personally think they are probably wanting to be 100% sure, and they're not. I mean to be honest, if 64 year old white millionaire doesn't exactly fit the profile.
That alone makes me skeptical. But with ISIS claiming, it makes me wonder. I don't think the shooter made it easy for them to figure out. I think they're trying to put together pieces of the puzzle. Until they are certain, I would assume they've been told to keep their mouths shut.
This is all speculation on my part.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:56 pm to VaBamaMan
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On video poker, which pays back out 99.97% of what you gamble to a player who was as good as Paddock apparently was.
Would be a GREAT way to launder large sums of money.
Insert teenage emo black stealth helicopters here.
Yes, money launderer with a background at Lockheed would be a perfect launderer for an arms dealer or something connected to money and the gov't. Somehow, I think he came into contact with ISIS or an affiliate (Philippines) along the line. The wife is no longer directly where I think that contact is.
Dude could have been converted or forced to do this (we're gonna murder all of Marilou's family). IDK.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:58 pm to 13SaintTiger
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I acknowledge it, but if that is the case why has it taken so long for investigators to confirm?
They have to track and got ready to arrest the entire network at once
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:59 pm to TigerFred
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Well that's interesting. Leads me to believe he had an accomplice.
They've said weird things about the recording/monitoring/broadcasting
someone may have been with him in the room initially, and then left right as the shooting started (they'd confirmed he went through with it). Leaves, but monitors the interior cameras with cell phone from hallway or another room.
While the initial camera and recording device are just monitoring, there could be a 2nd phone with the app monitoring and broadcasting that the FBI probably would not have figured out initially.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:01 pm to Festus
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That alone makes me skeptical. But with ISIS claiming, it makes me wonder. I don't think the shooter made it easy for them to figure out. I think they're trying to put together pieces of the puzzle. Until they are certain, I would assume they've been told to keep their mouths shut.
I would also speculate that Isis is involved but at this point it's very difficult to go down just one rabbit hole with how little we (public) know. Whatever the reason paddock had for doing this, he did a great job concealing it.
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