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re: Mars Here We Come!

Posted on 9/23/16 at 3:54 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 9/23/16 at 3:54 pm to
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I don't think there's any way you could reasonably tell me that $19.5 Billion spent on something within the planet (let's use some crazy example like the hyper loop) wouldn't result in some serious breakthroughs.
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There are plenty of very difficult problems here that we could use some incredible fundin
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I don't fault anyone for wishing more money was spent here.
You do realize all that money isn't actually going to Mars, right? It will all be spent right here on planet Earth.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 3:55 pm
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:02 pm to
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But, back to the topic of Mars.

We're wasting our time, money, and effort focusing on Mars. Instead, we need to focus our time, money, and effort to colonize the Moon before China and Russia does. The moon is rich in resources which will be necessary to one day send humans to Mars.

Passing up the Moon is like having an empty tank of gas and ignoring the road sign which says, "Last Gas Station for 100 miles."


See...THIS is actually reasonable, so it's not like you're COMPLETELY insane, so what gives?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:05 pm to
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Yeah! frick public infrastructure!


You need to be bitching about entitlements that make up well over hqlf of the federal budhet
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:08 pm to
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I don't think there's any way you could reasonably tell me that $19.5 Billion spent on something within the planet (let's use some crazy example like the hyper loop) wouldn't result in some serious breakthroughs. The only way to make that case is if your argument is that space presents uniquely difficult challenges that require the most outside the box thinking ever that basically creates some sort of breeding ground for intellectual breakthroughs. There are plenty of very difficult problems here that we could use some incredible funding and creative thinking to solve and likely generate some awesome new technologies.


That's not really the issue...it's one of PR. During the Cold War and Space Race the entire nation was wound up in the fervor of the enterprise. That's how and why we were able to marshall that amount of resources into it.

It's not that you couldn't potentially reap similar tech rewards if you'd invest it other ways, it's that you almost certainly could not get and continue to receive public support for that type of funding without the goal of something vastly larger than ourselves.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:19 pm to
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It's not that you couldn't potentially reap similar tech rewards if you'd invest it other ways, it's that you almost certainly could not get and continue to receive public support for that type of funding without the goal of something vastly larger than ourselves.
Setting aside the fact that $19.5B is chump change as far as the fed budget is concerned, you are right. The problem with the government investing directly in certain fields or techs is someone will always cry that they're "playing favorites" or "picking and choosing winners and losers". It's better for the government to fund a "peripheral" agency like NASA, who will in turn contract out as they see fit.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:31 pm to
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I don't think there's any way you could reasonably tell me that $19.5 Billion spent on something within the planet (let's use some crazy example like the hyper loop) wouldn't result in some serious breakthroughs. The only way to make that case is if your argument is that space presents uniquely difficult challenges that require the most outside the box thinking ever that basically creates some sort of breeding ground for intellectual breakthroughs. There are plenty of very difficult problems here that we could use some incredible funding and creative thinking to solve and likely generate some awesome new technologies


This is the mentality of a cave man. "Hey if we spend more time hunting, we'll get more food". Sorry, but this excuse will last forever for us not to go to space and advance ourselves as a species until it's too late. I fricking hate this mentality so much, and if we just stay within our comfort zone, then we'll go back to the cave.

The biggest enemy is the status quo, which is what we're content in living. What most people don't realize is that no company or civilization that has been content with the status quo has continued to be the power they once were.

And NASA has .3% of the national budget. To put it in perspective, the national ink budget is higher than that. Not to mention the welfare, the overblown military budget, and other stupid bullshite we spend over half of our national budget on. The thought that "we can't do it because we can spend the money helping people in the short term" is bullshite.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 4:34 pm
Posted by Langland
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Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:34 pm to
So we're gonna get to Mars around 72 years after landing on the moon. Wow! That's pathetic.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:40 pm to
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So we're gonna get to Mars around 72 years after landing on the moon. Wow! That's pathetic


If July 20th 2019 rolls around and we still haven't had a person walk on the Moon within my lifetime, I'm going to blow my shite. The fact that we did that 50 years ago and have only been back 5 times all within 3 years will make me unbelivably pissed.

Honestly, I hope the Chinese land on the Moon on the initial landing site on that exact same date. Nothing would make me happier. It would light a fire under our nations arse to build a Moon Base and go to Mars. And it's not going to be this "25 years" bullshite like they've been saying since Nixon. It will be what Kennedy did and will be within 10 years.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 9/23/16 at 5:03 pm to
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This is the mentality of a cave man. "Hey if we spend more time hunting, we'll get more food".
Right. If you spend all your time worrying about staying afloat, that's all you'll do is stay afloat. If you set bigger goals, bigger things will happen.
Posted by LanierSpots
Gulf of America / Sarasota FL
Member since Sep 2010
71787 posts
Posted on 9/23/16 at 5:06 pm to
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Yeah! frick public infrastructure!


NASA does not give a damn about your shitty roads and homes


Going to Mars bitch


This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 5:07 pm
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 9/23/16 at 6:13 pm to
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You do realize all that money isn't actually going to Mars, right? It will all be spent right here on planet Earth



Nope, nope. They are actually loading up a rocket with the money and sending it to the Mars delegation as a peace offering.
Posted by Thurber
NWLA
Member since Aug 2013
15405 posts
Posted on 9/23/16 at 6:31 pm to
Oh wow
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