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Posted on 12/30/24 at 5:27 pm to The Boat
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There have been a ton of Asian pilot error accidents since 2010 yet people are looking for another explanation for this one. People want to look for something mechanical because they don't want to think their pilots are shitty. But American pilots are simply better. There have been 0 American *commercial pilot major accidents in that same time frame. Avoid Asia with their bad pilots and archaic caste CRM and you'll be fine.
Meanwhile, Boeing's stock took a hit, unaided by irresponsible journalists eager to put Boeing in headline for clicks when there's been no determination it's a manufacturing related issue. Even in cases where a wheel came off during a takeoff/landing (a clear case of airline poor maintenance), the journalists throw Boeing in the headline.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 5:28 pm to redstick13
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You guys watch too many YouTube channels about air crashes.
Addicted to Air Disasters on Smithsonian.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 5:32 pm to RollTide1987
I just heard on the news that the pilot's name was Sum Ting Wong.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 5:33 pm to Stevo
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Meanwhile, Boeing's stock took a hit, unaided by irresponsible journalists eager to put Boeing in headline for clicks when there's been no determination it's a manufacturing related issue. Even in cases where a wheel came off during a takeoff/landing (a clear case of airline poor maintenance), the journalists throw Boeing in the headline.
I shed no tears for neither Boeing nor their stockholders. They have earned their shitty reputation.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 5:34 pm to 0x15E
That berm/wall shouldnt have been put there.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 5:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
When Asiana? Hit the wall in SFO and broke off the tail a decade ago someone should have been paying attention. Runaway trucks in the hills of the east coast get zones of sand or other shite. While inconvenient for space constrained airports like LGA and ORD, I would rather dirt or anything to retard an over run. Not anything that includes the word “concrete.”
Posted on 12/30/24 at 5:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That berm/wall shouldnt have been put there.
Probably not the best idea but not the reason for the catastrophe.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 5:59 pm to Jmcc64
Based on all the early indicators and everyone who has studied the video so far, I have a feeling this is going to end up being all pilot error. The thrust reversers seem to be deployed on the engine that ingested the bird which would mean that engine was still running. Did the pilots shut down the wrong engine which then lead to a loss of hydraulics? And in all the confusion and rush to land did they forget to put the gear down or didn’t think they had time to manually do it? One explanation I read for them touching down so late was they floated the runway expecting wheels to hit and they weren’t there like expected. The Korean government is also a shitshow right now and will try to downplay the berm being the main reason for mass casualties and try to place focus on Boeing.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:07 pm to The Boat
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archaic caste CRM and you'll be fine.
Is this still a thing in Asia? I know it’s a part of their culture but it’s damn near suicide in a cockpit.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:16 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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can imagine some on board actually breathed somewhat of a sigh of relief when it touched down and was skidding on the runway...only the pilots knew what was coming.
I’m not sure I’d be counting my blessings as I skid across the runway
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:24 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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he more keep learning about this, the more I learn towards the crew being in complete disarray and forgetting how to land a plane.
Starting to think so. That plane was hauling arse and not slowing... at first I thought they trying to gain speed.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Starting to think so. That plane was hauling arse and not slowing... at first I thought they trying to gain speed.
As an international 747 pilot who goes to Korea and the ready of the world regularly, it certainly seems like incompetence. The airplane was clearly in control and I can’t think of a reason that they couldn’t lower the gear or put the flaps down from what I’ve seen so far.
The thing about Asian pilots is that they don’t do well with improvisation. They need to see the same arrival, same approach, same taxi route each time. Any deviation from the norm is an accident waiting to happens.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:35 pm to Loconuts
Glad to see you say that. Took some heat for a while being the first to pin it on shitty Asian pilots.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:46 pm to The Boat
Most Asian countries cater their arrivals, approaches and taxi routes to the lowest common denominator. In some ways it’s forward thinking and a good way to operate. But the US and a lot Europe puts everting on the pilot. So mixing the two can be problematic and downright dangerous.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 7:00 pm to Auburn1968
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Had it not been for that reinforced concrete mount for the antennas at the end of the runway it is likely than no one would have died
Possibly but then there was the line of trees and the hotel less than 4,000 feet off the end of the runway.
You are blaming the concrete overpass column for the death of the drunk driver traveling at 115 miles per hour running from the cops during a thunderstorm.
Almost every runway has obstacles at the end. Lafayette has Highway 90 and a row of buildings on one end and a golf course and row of trees ion the other.
Yes the concrete wall was stupid but there was a shite ton of other issues way before the wall became involved. At the speed in which that plane departed the end of the runway, anything other than straight smooth dirt would have ended in massive death.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 12/30/24 at 7:02 pm to SWLA92
Only 23 of 181 died in that? Wow, I expected all 181 to die in that video.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 7:05 pm to Loconuts
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As an international 747 pilot
Posted on 12/30/24 at 7:05 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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My wife thinks I am crazy but if I am going down I will try and diagnose the problem before I die.
That brought a smile to my face. :)
I would love to have a copy of all the emergency checklists so I could refer to them as we are going down with the left engine on fire.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 7:07 pm to Loconuts
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international 747 pilot
Nuts dropped. I'm guessing it's not an -800, or you would have said so.
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