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re: Low Gas Prices, People don't understand the Problems

Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:18 pm to
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
36480 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:18 pm to
Horrible like say...
quote:

There are cost and risk in every business. If an oil company can't manage that cost and risk and turn a profit doing so then they don't need to be in business.

I don't think it's too much of an overreaction when we are paying $4 for gas but reports come out that Exxon turned a $4 billion profit for the quarter. (just making up numbers for the sake of the argument)

No other industry can get away with the collusion that the energy market does.
...this kind of argument?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:19 pm to
Working 80+ hours. So that's 50k at a normal job if not less considering overtime. Soooo
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:19 pm to
Don't feel too bad, prices will be back up in the mid $70s within the next year or 2. The cutting and blood letting shouldn't be too extreme. The service companies and field landmen will get their asses kicked though (sorry Laffy).
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
36480 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:20 pm to
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Roughnecks making low 6 figures.
& generally have a horrendous quality of life

I wouldn't do what they do for triple what they get paid.
Posted by DollaChoppa
I Simp for ACC
Member since May 2008
84774 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:22 pm to
Anyone who gets into a boom or bust industry shouldnt act surprised when it has its share of busts.

You ride the wave, you have a backup plan when that wave crashes, then ride it again.

Not anyone's fault so many dont think it through
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
17119 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:25 pm to
I find oil field workers and teachers to be about the same. They're the only occupations that go around bragging about how important they are.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:25 pm to
Hardly
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:26 pm to
I don't think anyone is surprised or panicking. It's part of the business.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:27 pm to
Then I guess you've never met a doctor or a lawyer
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29229 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:27 pm to
The populist drivel in this thread, and the amount of upvotes supporting it, is sad. What a bunch of idiots on this site.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:30 pm to
I agree Lou...you should fit in...prices have gotten outstanding support from the easing of that export ban! The industry was thrilled with that sub $50 this afternoon! Just the shot in the arm the industry needed!
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29229 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:33 pm to
quote:

I don't think it's too much of an overreaction when we are paying $4 for gas but reports come out that Exxon turned a $4 billion profit for the quarter. (just making up numbers for the sake of the argument)


Supply and demand. Energy companies are very capital-intensive and assume a tremendous amount of risk due to the cyclical nature of the industry. Moreover, a shitload of Americans can attribute a significant amount of their financial well-being to these evil corporations.

quote:

No other industry can get away with the collusion that the energy market does.


Aside from OPEC, which is entirely irrelevant to this thread, what on earth are you talking about?
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29229 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:36 pm to
You must be a great investor.

LINK

quote:

"In practice this long-awaited move can open up the floodgates to substantial increases in exports by end 2015," Ed Morse, global head of commodities research at Citigroup in New York said in a research note.


Don't forget you are talking about spot prices or futures contracts for Feb-15.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 9:38 pm
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:43 pm to
Lou, can you ever stay on point? How does that help prices??? Prices are still falling like a stone; the export ease is a no factor.

And light crude isn't going to compete with Saudi medium/heavy. We may displace some Algerian oil but the market doesn't give a frick...OPEC isn't a cartel anymore.
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
34156 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:46 pm to
quote:

Then I guess you've never met a doctor



Doctors don't have to brag.


People know how important they are
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29229 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:53 pm to
You are grossly misinformed. If prices fell to $30 today, what I said about upward pressure would still be the same argument. The quote I mentioned corroborates my point last week that it's a longer term boost (of which I gladly admit I have no clue about the magnitude). Regardless, there are a lot of dynamics in play, and the move is just one of them. It in no way changes what I said.

And of course OPEC is a cartel. Like every cartel known to man, it's never perfect. They hovered over their 30 mmbpd quota for most of 2H14.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
57876 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 9:58 pm to
quote:

I wonder how long term low fuel prices would affect the current trend of upper middle class moving back into inner cities in lieu of suburbs
As the kid of upper middle class people living in suburbs, I would say it's not even a factor.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:01 pm to
Keep spinning Lou...its a nonfactor as I stated, I'm right and you're wrong. I know it's hard for an egoist like yourself to admit, but facts are facts. Hey, I'm sure you're a great staff accountant. Good luck to you!
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29229 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:08 pm to
Not sure what's funnier, the fact that you failed at using the word "egoist" in an attempt to sound intelligent, or that you ironically gathered that I'm a staff accountant.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 10:15 pm to
I think it's even funnier that you think I misused egoist and that you actually misused irony. But I understand that book keepers struggle with words, you've got my sympathy little fellow.
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