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re: Louisville police officer's union leader threatens citizens
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:20 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:20 am to NYNolaguy1
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I get pulled over on I-10. Cop gives ticket. After giving my ticket, he then asks to search my car. I decline. He then says that I will be arrested for disobeying a lawful order if I don't comply. From what I understand, I waive my 4th amendment rights by saying yes.
I only know of 2 options...declining and probably having the cop respond by calling in a K-9 unit or allowing the search...is their another option?
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According to you, I should consent, because the cop can kill me, arrest me, and give me a bad day if I don't.
I am not telling you what to do. I am telling you what I do to avoid the possibility of being jammed up or worse by a cop on a power trip. I was pulled over recently by a cop in Mississippi for a bullshite reason and let him do his thing and was on my way 3 minutes later.
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That's no different than a criminal pointing a gun to my head and demanding I do something.
I have never said it was ok for a cop to abuse his power...merely stated I know it is a possibility he will and choose to make my decisions on how to deal with them knowing this is a possibility. This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 11:21 am
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Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:20 am to NYNolaguy1
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ETA- after rereading, this guy sounds like a fascist, angry the citizens feel they can question him.
wow...talk about completely missing the point
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:23 am to Topwater Trout
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I for one don't believe cops are trying to be unlawful while performing their job.
I agree. They understand their job is to protect and serve the community. Their execution is where my issue lies. It's not that they're trying to be unlawful; it's that they do unlawful things because they feel that it allows them to protect and serve.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:26 am to PKTiger
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it's that they do unlawful things because they feel that it allows them to protect and serve.
Or they don't even know the law.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:47 am to Topwater Trout
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I only know of 2 options...declining and probably having the cop respond by calling in a K-9 unit or allowing the search...is their another option?
Nope that's about it AFAIK. Personally, I would want to fight it out in court if the stop was totally bogus, so I would still say no. Make him get a warrant, and call the dogs out. That way if it goes to court, the warrant can be fought. If I give consent, I can't fight it. I would do that not because I have anything to hide, but because as you said, if the cop is abusing his power anyway, what's to keep him from planting something or worse. Whatever the results of that search would be (legitimate or not), as long as I don't give consent, it can be suppressed.
Ultimately I wouldn't comply there because I don't have enough trust for them to do a good job.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:49 am to Wtodd
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In my heart: frick yeah
In my head: he gone
Probably which is too bad for the citizens of Louisville
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:57 am to Choctaw
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wow...talk about completely missing the point
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If your behavior or untruths causes harm to us or the public, we will make every attempt to have you investigated, charged and prosecuted at the local, state or federal level.
To me that sounds a lot like he's butthurt over all the bad press PD's have gotten recently, and he plans to defend them by whatever means necessary to quiet opposition. How is that not fascism?
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:57 am to ManBearTiger
quote:What a douche
ManbearTiger
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:06 pm to NYNolaguy1
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To me that sounds a lot like he's butthurt over all the bad press PD's have gotten recently, and he plans to defend them by whatever means necessary to quiet opposition. How is that not fascism?
he's "butthurt" over the all Al Sharptons and other race baiters of the world spreading lies and misinformation.
#handsupdontshoot
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:12 pm to Choctaw
Ok, so his solution to quiet the racebaiters and Al Sharpton is to
Cool. #1stamendmentproblems
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make every attempt to have you investigated, charged and prosecuted at the local, state or federal level.
Cool. #1stamendmentproblems
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:18 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Ok, so his solution to quiet the racebaiters and Al Sharpton is to
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make every attempt to have you investigated, charged and prosecuted at the local, state or federal level.
for spreading lies and misinformation in an attempt to cause more harm...yes.
didn't think i'd ever run into anyone on this site that actually sided with Al Sharpton
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:25 pm to Choctaw
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didn't think i'd ever run into anyone on this site that actually sided with Al Sharpton
I don't necessarily agree with his presence, but it's not illegal. What would this guy possibly have him charged and prosecuted for?
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:26 pm to PKTiger
He is right. For to long we have protected the public from rapers, murders, and theeves. JUST DO WHAT WE SAY AND THEIR WANT BE A PROBLEM. I have kids and a wife to go home too SO DONT THINK I WANT DO WHATEVER IS NECESARY.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:29 pm to PKTiger
im sure a case could be made against him for inciting riots in Ferguson and Baltimore
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:30 pm to Choctaw
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for spreading lies and misinformation in an attempt to cause more harm...yes.
didn't think i'd ever run into anyone on this site that actually sided with Al Sharpton
I don't care if he was George Wallace, he has a right to say whatever his fat mouth wants to. I don't agree with what he says, but he entitled to it.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:30 pm to PKTiger
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who use misinformation ... at every opportunity to forward their ... agendas.
Sounds like the police who, as a trained practice, lie to citizens about evidence.
And all over the country visible via social media who band together and lie on police reports
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:30 pm to Choctaw
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make every attempt to have you investigated, charged and prosecuted at the local, state or federal level.
for spreading lies and misinformation in an attempt to cause more harm...yes.
If only we held admissible legal documents, like police reports, to this same standard.
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didn't think i'd ever run into anyone on this site that actually sided with Al Sharpton
Does believing police are overmilitarized, and rarely held accountable, now equate to agreeing with Al Sharpton?
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:30 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I don't care if he was George Wallace, he has a right to say whatever his fat mouth wants to. I don't agree with what he says, but he entitled to it.
he does not have the right to incite violence.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:36 pm to PKTiger
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What would this guy possibly have him charged and prosecuted for?
A key tenant of statists is finding the right crime to fit whoever they don't like. In the words of Stalin's former chief, "Show me the man, and I will show you the crime." I am sure if you look hard enough you can find something.
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