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re: Louisiana bill would name Bible as official state book
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:42 pm to Ford Frenzy
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:42 pm to Ford Frenzy
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Clicked on this thread expecting lots of butthurt, wasn't disappointed
Same here. I understand that it probably won't hold up in court, but the butthurt from those on both sides, particularly those who oppose it, is pretty comical.
If you did a state poll asking what book should become the official state book, what do you think would be the most popular answer?
Of course it would be the Bible, so I don't understand why it is such an asinine idea. It is one of the more popular books in the world and it is well worth a read, regardless of your religious beliefs.
I'd support the bill, but I wouldn't associate it failing as an "attack" on a certain religion, just as I don't understand people who act like this is a legitimate threat to their freedoms if it does pass. It is the official state book for crying out loud, is it really that big of a deal?
The Bible being the official state book does not mean that the state is persecuting other religions or violating anyone's freedoms, just as naming Twilight the official state book wouldn't legitimize vampires. If it passes, Christians, Muslims, and athiest will be free to continue in their beliefs just as they would if it fails. No big deal.
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:55 pm to slackster
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The Bible being the official state book does not mean that the state is persecuting other religions or violating anyone's freedoms, just as naming Twilight the official state book wouldn't legitimize vampires. If it passes, Christians, Muslims, and athiest will be free to continue in their beliefs just as they would if it fails. No big deal.
would you have a problem with the quaran being the state book ? Or do you think the state as a whole would be OK with that ?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:01 pm to jdd267
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would you have a problem with the quaran being the state book ?
In all seriousness, I wouldn't. Granted, I'm sure most Christians would raise hell without realizing their hypocrisy, but it wouldn't bother me.
ETA.2: If the people of this state wanted it to be the official state book, I'd be fine. I respect a government that listens to the people it serves, regardless of whether or not I hold those same beliefs.
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Or do you think the state as a whole would be OK with that ?
No, the majority in any American state would likely riot.
ETA: The fact that most would have an issue with it isn't really an argument against the Bible IMO. You literally could not find a book that would make everyone happy.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:02 pm to Roger Klarvin
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While this is true, christians still ignore things in the New Testement. If you've ever divorced for a reason other than infidelity, are a male and worn your hair past your shoulders, have a tattoo, wear expensive jewelry, had sex before marriage, spoken up in church as a woman or go to a church with a female pastor/deacons/elder, etc and call yourself a christian you've ignored things the new testament calls sinful.
this is the problem with Godless heathens....they think the Bible is like some strict guide that Christians must follow word by word.
like i said earlier in this thread.....this meaningless act is sure to piss off alot of people who wouldn't even care what the state book was otherwise
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:04 pm to slackster
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The Bible being the official state book does not mean that the state is persecuting other religions or violating anyone's freedoms
It doesn't need to.
It is a clear violation of the Constitution.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:17 pm to Fun Bunch
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It is a clear violation of the Constitution.
Is it really though? Serious question.
In what way does making the Bible the official state book violate the Constitution? Christians will look at it as a "victory" and others will be offended, but at the end of the day, it is simply a book. No one will be forced to read it. Heck, most of this board would make the case that it is a work of fiction in the first place, so why can't it be the official state book?
People of various beliefs have read the Bible, and I believe any educated person should read it to gain a sense of perspective, if nothing else.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:20 pm to jdd267
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would you have a problem with the quaran being the state book
This is why I find stuff like this so laughably absurd.
If Louisiana pushed to have the Quran or the Vedas made the state holy book, people would LOSE THEIR frickING MINDS. I mean wall to wall news coverage, violent protests, overt public racism, etc. I'm talking "scorched earth motherfricker" levels of anger and outrage.
But the Bible? Dat Gawd's werd mann.
Hypocrisy. Pure unapologetic overt hypocrisy.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If Louisiana pushed to have the Quran or the Vedas made the state holy book
Not that I disagree with you, but this is not what is being proposed. In the case of Louisiana, why should the bitching of a few get in the way of the wants of the many, especially in a debate of the "official state book?"
Let the people have what they want, no?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:54 pm to slackster
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In the case of Louisiana, why should the bitching of a few get in the way of the wants of the many, especially in a debate of the "official state book?"
If the "bitching" is on the side of constitutional values, it doesn't matter how many people are doing it.
Even if every last person in Louisiana wanted the state to endorse the Bible, it still shouldn't happen.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:55 pm to slackster
quote:Have you seen or read about "the many" wanting the Bible as the state book?
why should the bitching of a few get in the way of the wants of the many
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:56 pm to boom roasted
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why should the bitching of a few get in the way of the wants of the many
because we have a constitution in place to protect the rights of the minority, dumbass. It's a very basic principle of our country.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:02 pm to REG861
It blows my mind that some people think like that, especially people who enjoy calling themselves "conservatives".
"Conservative" is a label that I hate being associated with these days, because for most it means "I want the state to legislate my view of the world". The reality is, many "conservatives" truly just desire some level of theocracy and are too ignorant to know the difference or just don't care.
As an actual conservative, it pisses me off.
"Conservative" is a label that I hate being associated with these days, because for most it means "I want the state to legislate my view of the world". The reality is, many "conservatives" truly just desire some level of theocracy and are too ignorant to know the difference or just don't care.
As an actual conservative, it pisses me off.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:39 pm to Redbone
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That would be correct. I would ask how does time moving forward somehow make the immoral moral??
So slavery is moral? Human sacrifice moral? Stoning women to death for not obeying their rapist is moral?
I could go on.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:40 pm to Redbone
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#1 Slavery was voluntary and part of business. It was nothing like we think of it in the U.S.
You know little to nothing of slavery, I'd surmise
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If the "bitching" is on the side of constitutional values, it doesn't matter how many people are doing it. Even if every last person in Louisiana wanted the state to endorse the Bible, it still shouldn't happen.
I'm not saying that the majority of the state wants this. I'm arguing that if they wanted it, let them have it.
Also, naming the Bible the official state book does not equal endorsing Christianity. It is a book, arguably a work of fiction, that has significant historical value it is immensely popular and should definitely be on the short-list for any official state book.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:22 pm to jdd267
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but to say that the founding fathers would have been in favor of naming the bible a "national book" is false,
Did I say they would do that? I don't think so. I said I am in favor of doing that. It's no big deal. That would change nothing. Very few people would even know. Most don't even know what the national bird is!
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:23 pm to slackster
quote:arguably?
It is a book, arguably a work of fiction
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:26 pm to colorchangintiger
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God wouldn't give you a challenge you can't handle.
I do o.k. I'm not cryin about it. That was just an observation ...and an explanation why I can't keep up.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:36 pm to fr33manator
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So slavery is moral? Human sacrifice moral? Stoning women to death for not obeying their rapist is moral?
I could go on.
First of all only select those issues that are ok according to the new testament. The the question for what is left is does it fall under what is considered "morals"? I'll take it from there.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:37 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Arguably is fair and I believe this thread proves that.
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