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re: Looking for some pitching sequence tips for youth baseball...
Posted on 2/19/14 at 1:54 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 2/19/14 at 1:54 pm to Lester Earl
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99% of 11-12 year olds have no shot at developing a change up. Don't bother with some of this advice, seriously
choking the ball in your hand is not a hard thing to teach...all they have to do is throw it the same as they would a fastball.
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 1:55 pm to Lester Earl
Lester, a changeup is easy to teach. It is a fastball with a different grip. Do you really think 11-12 year olds that have played baseball ever, can't learn to throw a change?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 1:55 pm to Chicken
Look at where the batter stands in the box...go from there.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 1:55 pm to Lester Earl
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99% of 11-12 year olds have no shot at developing a change up
Except that is literally the best time to try and teach a kid how to throw a changeup. It is easy to learn how to properly throw a changeup and it is the only secondary pitch they will need until they are in their teens and it won't screw up their arm. Otherwise, great advice.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 1:56 pm to Lester Earl
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99% of 11-12 year olds have no shot at developing a change up. Don't bother with some of this advice, seriously
The changeup is usually the 2nd pitch a young kid learns!
Posted on 2/19/14 at 1:57 pm to BayouNation
Yeah, that advice was literally one of the dumbest nuggets of advice I have ever seen. That's saying something for the OT. 
Posted on 2/19/14 at 1:59 pm to Chicken
i honestly find that most 11-12 year olds aren't good enough to "chart pitches" for the most part.
I recall most people telling us to go away, away, inside then vary it up next way through the lineup. It also depends on who is batting, and is the kid tall or short etc. What does their swing look like etc.
and the changup is one of the deadliest pitches a kid can master. most kids that can throw heat, toss in the change and it just destroys kids that are generally up their scared and swinging.
I recall most people telling us to go away, away, inside then vary it up next way through the lineup. It also depends on who is batting, and is the kid tall or short etc. What does their swing look like etc.
and the changup is one of the deadliest pitches a kid can master. most kids that can throw heat, toss in the change and it just destroys kids that are generally up their scared and swinging.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:00 pm to Lester Earl
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99% of 11-12 year olds have no shot at developing a change up.
There are about four 1%ers on our team then. My kid has been throwing one for three years and has been effective with it for two. That's not a hard pitch to learn because the motion is the same as they have always done, only the grip changes.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:00 pm to Chicken
Live on the outside! Most kids that age are not good enough to go with the pitch. Stay out there until they start crowding the plate to try and reach the outside ball then come in on them.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:01 pm to UpToPar
Teach them the eephus pitch
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:02 pm to Vlad
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Live on the outside!
most kids also have no idea to push the ball to the opposite field. they won't be able to do anything with the ball on the outer half even if they hit it. Most kids are always dead pull hitters.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:04 pm to Geauxld Finger
Exactly
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:04 pm to Chicken
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Looking for some pitching sequence tips for youth baseball..
Stay low and away on a left handed hitter...run it up and in on a right handed hitter
If the pitcher has a breaking fast ball, that's a great pitch with 2 strikes.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:04 pm to Geecubed
Throwing a good change up is a lot harder than "choking the ball in your palm" and throwing it like a fastball
It takes a tremendous amount of "feel" & disciplined arm action for it to be effective at that age. Many kids don't even have the hand size to pull it off. An even bigger problem is having a coach that has actually thrown a good change up in his day. Even then he still has to be able to convey the proper mechanics of the pitch.
That's why the curve is so popular. It's easier to teach and much more effective. Easier to control & be more consistent. . Easier to get a swing and miss.
It takes a tremendous amount of "feel" & disciplined arm action for it to be effective at that age. Many kids don't even have the hand size to pull it off. An even bigger problem is having a coach that has actually thrown a good change up in his day. Even then he still has to be able to convey the proper mechanics of the pitch.
That's why the curve is so popular. It's easier to teach and much more effective. Easier to control & be more consistent. . Easier to get a swing and miss.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:06 pm to Lester Earl
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Throwing a good change up is a lot harder than "choking the ball in your palm" and throwing it like a fastball
Totally disagree, this is exactly what a change up is!
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:07 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Right, it's so easy that most high school & college players have good change ups.......oh wait....they don't
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:08 pm to Lester Earl
Circle change ftw
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:08 pm to Lester Earl
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the curve
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easier to teach
No.
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Easier to control
No.
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be more consistent
No. One more thing you left off is how easy it is for a kid to improperly throw and frick their arms up as a result and not pitch past their sophomore year in school.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:10 pm to Topwater Trout
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99% of 11-12 year olds have no shot at developing a change up. Don't bother with some of this advice, seriously
We had 6 pitchers that could throw it very effectively
Never threw curves until 14 (last year of Tournament Ball) and even then, did it VERY rarely
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:12 pm to Caplewood
One of my pitchers throws high heat with a curve ball. The others throw medium to medium high heat with either a circle change or a spike pitch (ball breaks like a curve but there is no breaking of the wrist). Most of my pitchers get pitching lessons on the side.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 2:13 pm
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