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re: Longest range EV will end up being a full sized pickup truck: 450 miles

Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:36 pm to
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
10890 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:36 pm to
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Still dirty technology to make those.


These "zero emission" vehicles have a much larger "carbon footprint" than traditional vehicles the moment they hit the showroom floor.

An electric vehicle with 400 miles of range will cause more CO2 emissions in its lifetime than a traditional ICU vehicle.

LINK
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18017 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:01 pm to
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An electric vehicle with 400 miles of range will cause more CO2 emissions in its lifetime than a traditional ICU vehicle.

That’s simply not true. A stress cased break even on 100% coal generation for a Tesla model 3 is 78,000 miles.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:36 pm to
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These "zero emission" vehicles have a much larger "carbon footprint" than traditional vehicles the moment they hit the showroom floor.

An electric vehicle with 400 miles of range will cause more CO2 emissions in its lifetime than a traditional ICU vehicle.

LINK
That guy's talk is absolutely chock full of made up figures, so it's not surprising that he doesn't cite any sources for them.

People are so easily persuaded when someone is saying what they want to hear. But what you want to hear just isn't true. Sorry.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18017 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:39 pm to
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That guy's talk is absolutely chock full of made up figures, so it's not surprising that he doesn't cite any sources for them.

From the video
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Several claims in this talk lack scientific support.


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People are so easily persuaded when someone is saying what they want to hear. But what you want to hear just isn't true. Sorry.

EVs bring out all the confirmation bias in TD.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
36070 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:45 pm to
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I sound ignorant. Leaved is leaves. No, no Sam Rayburn. Lots of lakes in East Texas.



I gave you the benefit of the doubt, I've only fished Conroe, Fork, Sam Rayburn, Raven and Kurth so far.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53711 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:50 pm to
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The infrastructure will follow, that's not the issue


Orly???? They gonna start popping up nuke plants and redoing all the power grids?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18017 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:53 pm to
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Orly???? They gonna start popping up nuke plants and redoing all the power grids?

The grid grows every year. That growth has ranged from 5TWh to 100TWh depending on demand. Investment has never been a problem. Look at the stock of some of the big infrastructure players. Money is pouring into that sector.

And nuke just got a fresh Biden subsidy so yes they will start popping up.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 7:57 pm
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53711 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:07 pm to
You are dumb
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:08 pm to
The manufacturer's quit making them as work vehicles. You don't have the option to buy a brand new full size truck strictly for work or towing purposes. They're all super overpriced over optioned luxury vehicles covered in plastic.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 8:09 pm
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18017 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:12 pm to
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You are dumb
that’s about the response I expected.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18017 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:13 pm to
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The manufacturer's quit making them as work vehicles

Wtf are you talking about? I purchased 500 work trucks last year.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:22 pm to
In 1984 median income was 24,000 and a brand new F-150 cost 7-11,000

Now median income is 70,000 and a brand new F-150 cost 45-100,000

That's what I'm talking about. Trucks are 2-3x more expensive even accounting for inflation. What did you order, F-350s? A bare bones option for work doesn't exist for the consumer.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 8:25 pm
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18017 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:25 pm to
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That's what I'm talking about. What did you order, F-350s? A bare bones option for work doesn't exist for the consumer.

I don’t disagree with the crazy price inflation. But they do make them.

It was a blend of 1500-5500 class trucks from all of the big three.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 8:26 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:28 pm to
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The infrastructure will follow, that's not the issue
Orly???? They gonna start popping up nuke plants and redoing all the power grids?
If only you knew how stupid you sound.

I used to have 10 120W flood lights outside my house that were on for ~10 hours every night. I replaced them with 14W LED bulbs. They used to consume 10x120x10x365/1000 = 4,380 kWh each year. The new LED bulbs consume only 511 kWh each year, a savings of 3,869 kWh per year. Driving a typical 15k miles each year in a Tesla which gets about 4 miles per kWh would consume about 3,750 kWh per year. Just my outdoor lighting used to consume more power than an EV, and I think you would be absolutely shocked to calculate how much power a house full of 60 watt bulbs consumes. I know in my house I have 6 bulbs on for ~8 hours/day in the family room plus 14 bulbs in the kitchen on about 6 hours/day. We're already looking at (6x8x60x365 + 14x6x60x365)/1000 = 2,890 kWh, and I haven't even gotten to the bedrooms and bathrooms yet.

I could charge 2 EVs with the power saved by switching this house to LED, and my total consumption would still be less than it was 5 years ago.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 8:31 pm
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:29 pm to
Every single one of them white I bet
Y'all have an employee sellback program after 200k miles or so? Your workers would be itching to buy them.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 8:29 pm
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18017 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:34 pm to
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Every single one of them white I bet Y'all have an employee sellback program after 200k miles or so? Your workers would be itching to buy them.

Yeah. Work trucks are white. I’m not sure where you’re going with that.

We do have a sell back option. No ones in line to get one of these things after they use full life out. They all have engine hours closer to 400k of use and they’re beat to fricking hell. I’ve never been asked to approve a single employee purchase. But I would for auction estimated value or even less.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 8:35 pm
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15747 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:41 pm to
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The manufacturer's quit making them as work vehicles.


There are 5000+ new F150 XL model trucks listed on cars.com
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53711 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:43 pm to
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I used to have 10 120W flood lights outside my house that were on for ~10 hours every night. I replaced them with 14W LED bulbs. They used to consume 10x120x10x365/1000 = 4,380 kWh each year. The new LED bulbs consume only 511 kWh each year, a savings of 3,869 kWh per year. Driving a typical 15k miles each year in a Tesla which gets about 4 miles per kWh would consume about 3,750 kWh per year. Just my outdoor lighting used to consume more power than an EV, and I think you would be absolutely shocked to calculate how much power a house full of 60 watt bulbs consumes. I know in my house I have 6 bulbs on for ~8 hours/day in the family room plus 14 bulbs in the kitchen on about 6 hours/day. We're already looking at (6x8x60x365 + 14x6x60x365)/1000 = 2,890 kWh, and I haven't even gotten to the bedrooms and bathrooms yet.


Imagine being this clueless about load, transformers and distribution, you are an idiot. Tell me how fast charging a Tesla compares to running light bulbs, no one can be this stupid.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18017 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:44 pm to
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Imagine being this clueless about load, transformers and distribution, you are an idiot. Tell me how fast charging a Tesla compares to running light bulbs, no one can be this stupid.

Keep digging that hole.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:50 pm to
$38-75k MSRP
3 year old ones with 100k miles are still $30k

It's his entire salary. It used to be one fourth his salary. The reason the new trucks on the road aren't being worked is because the individual workman who actually needs it is priced out. He has no choice but to buy keep the old POS
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