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Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:20 am to arseinclarse
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Witnessed a lawyer get exposed this morning for her use of AI hallucination cases.
What court and judge?
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:23 am to boosiebadazz
What program do you use for meds?
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:24 am to Joshjrn
AI (and in the past, Google) is good for when I have a broad legal concept/argument that I know isn't novel, so I can type in the general argument/issue and they'll provide the term. Then with that "proper term", I can do actual research on an actual research platform.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:24 am to SlowFlowPro
We had a free trial of it. I tried using a few times with issues I knew...I would never get correct law.
I use Grok and ChatGPT for every day type stuff out of work, so I know how to interact with AI. Lexis was just not great.
I use Grok and ChatGPT for every day type stuff out of work, so I know how to interact with AI. Lexis was just not great.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:27 am to NIH
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That’s a good point. It doesn’t just generate fake cases, it will botch the substance of real cases and statutes.
I’ll see the summary and think “well damn, that’s on point…”, read whatever it is and then think “how the frick did it come up with that? There was one tangentially related throw away line that’s not factually similar and actually says the opposite of what it summarized…”
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:27 am to arseinclarse
The AI that is not specifically tailored to legal such as ChatGPT, xAI and Microsoft co-pilot - I have used those to do some different things. I have even used them to do a little case law research. They are not especially good at this yet. I think a lot of it has to do with the limitation of free and public cases on the internet. It will also give you completely made up citations sometimes. It can be a start but if you write a memo in AI and submit it without doing some major confirmation research and citation confirmation you will be exposed.
I imagine Westlaw and Lexis have or are going to have some expensive products that don't have those issues.
I imagine Westlaw and Lexis have or are going to have some expensive products that don't have those issues.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:27 am to MilesLes
I told the Lexis sales rep that I barely use it and it's more insurance/prophylactic for me in the rare instance where I have to do research. Hell, I didn't realize that barebones version of Lexis was almost $200/mo. She was pushing the version with AI for like $600-700/mo even though I kept explaining my use case.
I looked up WL and its bare bones is slightly cheaper so I told her I was probably switching to WL once she pointed out how expensive LN was for it.
I may just need to learn Fastcase.
I looked up WL and its bare bones is slightly cheaper so I told her I was probably switching to WL once she pointed out how expensive LN was for it.
I may just need to learn Fastcase.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:27 am to arseinclarse
Never.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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Hell, I didn't realize that barebones version of Lexis was almost $200/mo
Would probably be cheaper to hire a 3L to do basic research and has free access to WL and LN
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:30 am to rmc
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I imagine Westlaw and Lexis have or are going to have some expensive products that don't have those issues.
What they have is the content library and their already established internal logic systems (along with a lot of user data I imagine that we don't know we gave them) to guide their LLMs.
What they're trying to sell is more than just AI for legal research, though. They are trying to do a combination of research and something like Google Notebook LM, and I bet you they come out with LCM software within a year or 2, maybe with a CRM.
I think they're going to try to offer an entire bundle as a one stop shop to directly compete with Mycase, Practice Panther, etc.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:34 am to Joshjrn
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Would probably be cheaper to hire a 3L to do basic research and has free access to WL and LN
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:38 am to arseinclarse
It’s great for summarizing documents
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:45 am to Draco Malfoy
what program do you use
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:50 am to MilesLes
Looking at one called Eve. The initial pitch was impressive. I’m scheduling a follow up to go a little more in-depth on it.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
I have always hated Lexis. WL is simply superior IMO.
As far as AI, I’ve dabbled with a few of them, but never for anything other than setting up forms (answers, discovery, etc) where I upload the pleadings just so I don’t have to fool with formatting or form objections myself.
Sometimes as a starting point for research to ID a statute or something, but they are all terrible for case law. 90% of the cases are fake or inaccurate.
As far as AI, I’ve dabbled with a few of them, but never for anything other than setting up forms (answers, discovery, etc) where I upload the pleadings just so I don’t have to fool with formatting or form objections myself.
Sometimes as a starting point for research to ID a statute or something, but they are all terrible for case law. 90% of the cases are fake or inaccurate.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:59 am to NOLATiger163
Which judge?
Posted on 8/1/25 at 8:01 am to MilesLes
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what program do you use
I’ve used the paid version of Claude AI for document review and the like. It’s fine if it’s drawing from documents you put into it. Blind research is where they go off the rails.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 8:04 am to beerJeep
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Fake lawyers of the OT
FIFY
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