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Posted on 6/5/25 at 3:46 pm to
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 3:46 pm to
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You realize Mongols controlled all of current Ukraine and most of Poland? While Russia was only under partial control.

And "control" is a loose interpretations- they were forced to pay duties and taxation, not actually have troops there.



The Mongols conquered the Kievan Rus... and thus, Russia as an entity. It matters not that some lowly populated areas towards the arctic weren't controlled, because they weren't controlled by anybody (or inhabited by that many...) and the inhabitants were people you would argue aren't "Russians," anyway.

As for having troops there... there's the thing!

The Mongols deputized the elites in Russia... as long as they made the serfs work and fill their quotas, the horde would not come back and wreak havoc.

That put in place an Oligarchal system that has remained in the fabric of the country since... and is the problem.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 4:11 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 3:53 pm to
Budanov hacked the Tupolev servers

Former deputy head of DIU commented on special operations in Russia's rear

05.06.2025 20:37

“We are waging a fourth-generation asymmetric war. And cyberattacks are one of the elements of information warfare. A field for, let's say, aggressive offensive actions on the part of Ukraine's military intelligence,” said the former intelligence officer.

He recalled the words of Kyrylo Budanov, head of the Main Intelligence Directorate, that “we need victories in order to maintain the nation's will to win,” and added: “General Maliuk's team [head of the Security Service of Ukraine] achieved such a victory against the bombers, and Budanov's team supported these actions and launched a cyberattack on the alma mater where these TU [aircrafts] are developed.”

He explained that the Tupolev Design Bureau is not only an office that develops and designs military, civil, and special aircraft. It also repairs and services aircraft. The main recipient of such services is the special flight squadron “Russia,” which provides transportation for top Russian officials on its Tu-204-300, Tu-214, Tu-214SR, and Tu-214PU aircraft.

“When we have this information, we know about the suppliers and everything else... The Russians now need to take a whole range of additional measures to ensure the safety of flights for senior state officials. They need to check every single detail that comes in,” Pavlenko said.

“And the first is that we are showing the whole world their vulnerability, that they [the Russian Federation] are not so omnipotent and powerful,” concluded the former deputy head of military intelligence.

As reported by Ukrinform, Ukrainian intelligence hacked the resources of the Russian Federation's strategic aviation manufacturer, the Tupolev Design Bureau.

Ukrinform
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 3:53 pm to
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Not really, Russian mentality did not change with from the Tsars to the Soviets to today's autocratic oligarchy. Today's oligarchy is pretty much the modern version of the boyars of Tsarist Russia who the Tsar had to please to keep power. It really is an extremely corrupt nation and the ghost of the Mongols has remained like the ghost of Huey P. Long still lingers in Louisiana.



Yep.

Oh, and easy on the Longs... one of my second degree in-laws is one of them. Though they're strangely ultra-MAGA.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 3:55 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 3:55 pm to


Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 3:59 pm to
This was the territory of the Kievan Rus that the Mongols conquered

Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:11 pm to
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This clown has to be a SirWinston alter lol.

Given their fixation on this topic, and apparent high doses of estrogen and amphetamine, it could be an OMLandshart alt.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:15 pm to
As best I can tell by using that map, Crimea wasn’t Russian.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:19 pm to
Nah, it was originally inhabited by the Tatars.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:27 pm to
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As best I can tell by using that map, Crimea wasn’t Russian.


Not completely... just an outpost there at the bottom.

But that's Kievan Rus.

After the expulsion of the Mongols, which was kicked off by a Moscovite Prince, the center of the tribal identity shifted to Moscow, and as the larger territory unified Moscow definitely became the dominant center. Russians think of everything in post-Mongol Moscovite terms.

So while the Russian ethnicity/culture as we think of it began in Kiev, the thinking since then has been that Kiev belongs to Moscow.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:33 pm to
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So while the Russian ethnicity/culture as we think of it began in Kiev, the thinking since then has been that Kiev belongs to Moscow.


Hitler made the mistake of giving Stalingrad too much importance and consequently spread his armies way too thin.

Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:45 pm to
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Hitler made the mistake of giving Stalingrad too much importance and consequently spread his armies way too thin.



Capturing a city named after Stalin would've been a big psychological blow... capturing a city that was a major industrial center would've hurt Russia... capturing a city that gave Germany control of the Volga River would've been a big blow, because Russia was getting the majority of its oil from the Caucasus, shipped through Stalingrad. But also since Germany needed that oil, itself... well, that's why Hitler split the army to try to seize both Stalingrad and the Caucasus oil fields.

Hitler was driven by a material need, too. The allies blockade was causing energy problems for him. He couldn't import oil from the US, Iran, and Venezuela like he had been doing.

came cross this:

https://neutralhistory.com/4-reasons-why-stalingrad-was-important-to-germany/
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 4:59 pm
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:51 pm to
and weird, nobody thought to call PoppedRiser any insulting names while answering his post.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42608 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:53 pm to
All that is true, but he should have done one thing at a time.

He never took control over Leningrad, Moscow, Stalingrad or the Caucus’ oil fields.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105281 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:54 pm to
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Ukrainian forces launched a missile strike on June 5 targeting a concentration of Russian missile troops near the city of Klintsy in Russia’s Bryansk Oblast, the General Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces reported.

The strike reportedly destroyed one Iskander missile launcher and seriously damaged two others. The targeted unit, part of Russia’s 26th Missile Brigade, had attempted to fire on Ukrainian territory — likely aiming at Kyiv — before it was hit, according to the military.

"Thanks to effective reconnaissance and the coordinated efforts of the Armed Forces and the Security Service of Ukraine, the targets were successfully hit," the General Staff said.

The agency added that there were no civilian casualties, and assessments of Russian losses are ongoing.

The Iskander is a short-range ballistic missile system used by Russia for precision strikes against military and infrastructure targets.

With a range of up to 500 kilometers (some 311 miles) and the ability to carry conventional or nuclear warheads, the system remains a key component of Russia's tactical missile forces.





LINK

Ukraine appears to have gotten inside Russia's decision loop, whether via a mole, sigint or maybe even AI predicting Russian moves before they make them.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42608 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:59 pm to
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Ukraine appears to have gotten inside Russia's decision loop, whether via a mole, sigint or maybe even AI predicting Russian moves before they make them.


The word is they bugged Barron’s phone
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:59 pm to
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All that is true, but he should have done one thing at a time.

He never took control over Leningrad, Moscow, Stalingrad or the Caucus’ oil fields.


Yep... he was arrogant and underestimated the Soviets

https://neutralhistory.com/4-reasons-why-stalingrad-was-important-to-germany/
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 5:00 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 5:22 pm to
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nd weird, nobody thought to call PoppedRiser any insulting names while answering his post.


"All I did was accuse you of being a paid disinformation agent of a foreign country, therefore committing treason, or of actually being a Russian agent who would therefore be complicit in the killing and justification of said killing of thousands of Ukranian civilians, why are you so mean to me?"
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 5:28 pm to
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All I did was accuse you of being a paid disinformation agent of a foreign country, therefore committing treason, or of actually being a Russian agent


Have you read his posts? He is the one insisting that people who disagree with him are Ukrainian. You don't need to defend his honor. We can all read.

If he wants to talk shite, then it is only fair people can respond.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 5:30 pm to
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Have you read his posts? He is the one insisting that people who disagree with him are Ukrainian. You don't need to defend his honor. We can all read.

If he wants to talk shite, then it is only fair people can respond.


I'm not defending popped riser, I think he's a fairly obvious spammer.

But Lee has consistently done what I've described for months to basically anyone who doesn't unconditionally support Ukraine.
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