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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/4/25 at 7:43 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 7:43 am to
How many trains have gone over? Vehicle traffic doesn't mean shiite
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 7:51 am to
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more Spiderweb satellite images with good resolution...


The beauty of this is that Ukraine used Russia's black market as a cover for is trucks to park and wait for someone to meet them. That's a huge black market.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 7:54 am to
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If Russia was smart they would cozy up to the EU and basically buy them off with plentiful Nat Gas and Oil. And then present themselves to the US as a strategic ally against Chinese expansion in Asia.

But Putin it too egocentric. He doesn't want to be a supplier. He wants to be a Czar.


That's true, but I also think he is kind of right in the sense that we would treat them as lesser even if he did integrate/capitulate some to the west. So if you're Russia the calculus becomes where you can be an equal in BRICS (for now), or a second class citizen to the west who will likely discard you eventually as the world moves away from your largest exports.

Posted by No Colors
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 8:24 am to
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Russia the calculus becomes where you can be an equal in BRICS (for now), or a second class citizen to the west who will likely discard you eventually


Long term, Russia's problems are so huge that they will need a total remake to survive. Their demographic situation is so bad, combined with a brain brain, that they can't look too too far into the future. It would be like looking into the abyss.

So they screwed themselves out of any meaningful economic partnerships with the West by thinking they could snatch Ukraine without a fight and still keep selling hydrocarbons to EU. They were wrong on both counts. Probably the aingle most egregious foreign policy blunder of any nation since WW2.

Now they have who? India? Brazil? Good luck building an empire with those clowns as your partners.

And China will be their friend as long as it suits China. But they'll cut Russia's throat in a heartbeat when that calculus changes.

They've traded a cozy existence as a second class citizen for being Public Enemy #1. They chose poorly, but I don't see any way for Putin to unring that bell
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 8:49 am to
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:00 am to
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:03 am to
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:04 am to
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:12 am to
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:13 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:17 am to
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If Russia was smart they would cozy up to the EU and basically buy them off with plentiful Nat Gas and Oil.


They tried this already and more, they expanded and modernized refining capacity so that the EU could shutdown several of its major refineries. This is what Nordstream was all about to circumvent what was going through Ukraine. It would have been for less expensive to expand its existing pipeline infrastructure in the EU with a few pipeline extensions.

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And then present themselves to the US as a strategic ally


They were a partner with NATO but Putin wanted full membership without meeting several milestones mostly dealing with corruption.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:19 am to
The Sumy region turned out to be absolutely unprepared for the Russian offensive, although there was time to prepare - this is exactly why the "Kursk operation" was carried out, say MP Maryana Bezugla and Aidar fighter Stanislav Bunyatov.

Instead of fortifications - imitation. Instead of planning - micromanagement from Syrsky and silence from Zelensky. Bezugla directly writes that the fortifications in the region are the worst along the entire front line, and the General Staff and local authorities simply failed to organize the defense. Bunyatov, who is now on the front line, compares what he saw with a "training ground" - no shelters, no logistics, no normal coordination.

But living people die on such "training grounds". According to unofficial data, more than a thousand die every day. The reason is banal: you can't build a defense on "kickbacks" - most of the 350 billion hryvnia allocated for fortifications was simply stolen by the authorities. Those positions that were built are 60% unusable - they are destroyed by one hit. Plus almost 800 million dollars were lost due to corruption in the purchase of weapons. As a result, Ukraine is again paying with lives for the fact that the top brass turned the war into a business."


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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:23 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:28 am to
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Long term, Russia's problems are so huge that they will need a total remake to survive. Their demographic situation is so bad, combined with a brain brain, that they can't look too too far into the future. It would be like looking into the abyss.


Central Asian nations have already retained major refining technology companies to build new refineries, albeit not large, due all the new residents with money who escaped from Russia since 2022, mostly in the IT biz sector. 100's of thousands of new residents per each of these nations.

Russia's arms manufacturing is with imported labor already. It's economy will suck donkey balls for at least a decade if not three

One tiny refinery retained UOP, a division of Honeywell, to advise them on a major expansion (for them) enough to fuel all the vehicles in Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:29 am to
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:40 am to
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Long term, Russia's problems are so huge that they will need a total remake to survive. Their demographic situation is so bad, combined with a brain brain, that they can't look too too far into the future. It would be like looking into the abyss.



Well the one lucky thing for them (and other countries entering similar demographic black holes) is that we are gradually entering a world where the number of people might not only be irrelevant in terms of your power, it might actually be a detriment.

In warfare we've seen it already in Ukraine. Drones are a great equalizer against forces with advantages in raw numbers of people, tanks, vehicles, etc. Until there is a good answer for the drone issue this will remain true (and actually get worse as drones integrate AI and no longer require an actual pilot).

Economically we are going to see productivity per person skyrocket. So my theory is that in a future where AI is doing a large chunk if not most of the work we collectively do now for us, there will be some cutoff point where having a greater population is a net drain on a country rather than an asset. The vast majority of people aren't capable of doing any kind of work beyond basic tasks that an AI can assist with if not do entirely on its own.... All of the talk about AI freeing people up to be creative, advance science, etc is largely BS because the people who can do those things for the most part already are, or they are just talented individuals anyway and are able to actually contribute to society in a way that is beyond taking orders at McDonalds or answering phone calls at a service desk.

It is kind of ironic that we are talking about this in the context of Russia, since historically their large population has been one of their key (and at times debatably their only) asset.
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:41 am to
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:44 am to
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:51 am to
Stop copying and pasting and linking to well-known Russian government propaganda sites.

"Zlatti" is a tense of the Russian word for "gold."
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:55 am to
Not good news for Zelensky and Ukrainian Leadership. Putin is calling them Terrorist after the Civilian Train attack. I suspect Russia will start to target the Terrorist directly now


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