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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:17 pm to
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:17 pm to
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The biggest problem, though, is there is, shall we say, an “interpretative” issue of a plane flying out of Polish airspace into Ukrainian airspace, especially if it is in someway armed.

That's not interpretive at all. That's an overt act. This is what everyone here wants, so might as well go ahead and do it.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:19 pm to
Yes.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:21 pm to
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That's not interpretive at all. That's an overt act. This is what everyone here wants, so might as well go ahead and do it.


I'm not saying that I want it, just that we have been helping them all along. Russians are already dead because of our javelin missiles in Ukrainian hands, right?
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:23 pm to
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That's not interpretive at all. That's an overt act. This is what everyone here wants, so might as well go ahead and do it.



If they are driven in on trucks into the far Western border with Slovakia and Hungary, like arms have been doing since this began (and the West’s supply line to Ukraine have been publicly acknowledged), then the interpretation is somewhat mitigated to “supplying” rather overtly participating. (At least that’s what Putin seemed to have been interpreting until his statement today considering that Russia had not attacked NATO* yet.)

However, directly flying into the airspace armed (and who can say they aren’t armed) is a step above. Most jet-mounted missiles have ranges that exceed the horizon, putting Russian troops in danger. Combine that with taking off from Polish bases and that math adds up to solid participation rather than supplying.

*Considering that Putin has not yet attacked NATO, it seems like he is still operating on sane mode in not considering the supply of arms as requiring direct conflict...despite what he proclaimed today.
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 7:31 pm
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:30 pm to
If I’m Putin I have my best fighter planes patrolling the border and the second the cross into Ukraine try to shoot them down. If they attempt to shoot back then Putin knows that armed aircraft were flying into Ukraine from a NATO country. If they’re unarmed then they either die or run back to Poland. It’s basically a win-win for him.
Posted by BananaManCan
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:32 pm to
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What I am hearing is nonsensical, and can’t be right, must be a error or something. Not repeating it, thought maybe something online could shed some light on it but nothing.

Sorry for asking, must be bad info


Man would you shut the frick up?
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:32 pm to
Javelins have already destroyed 220-230 Russian vehicles as of a few days days ago. I assume some of those were occupied
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:33 pm to
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Javelins have already destroyed 220-230 Russian vehicles as of a few days days ago. I assume some of those were occupied


Exactly.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:37 pm to
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However, directly flying into the airspace armed (and who can say they aren’t armed) is a step above

Everyone here has been advocating for overt, direct action from NATO countries as well as the US. Why are yall getting squeamish now?
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 7:38 pm
Posted by Rocky Gamucci
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:37 pm to
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:39 pm to
He doesn’t have complete air superiority, so he can’t do that, which has to biggest surprise of the whole damn thing.

Apparently the ghost of Ukraine is real or something
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:40 pm to
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Everyone here has been advocating for overt, direct action from NATO countries as well as the US. Why are yall getting squeamish now?


I’ve said from the beginning that overt action should not be taken until a Russian fires on a NATO nation. But we have every right as sovereign nations to supply another sovereign nation with arms.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:41 pm to
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He doesn’t have complete air superiority, so he can’t do that, which has to biggest surprise of the whole damn thing


Then why should risk this escalation to give Ukraine 75 fighter planes if the current Ukrainian Air Force is wiping the floor with Russian MiGs?
Posted by Palantir
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:42 pm to
Everyone?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:42 pm to
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I’ve said from the beginning that overt action should not be taken until a Russian fires on a NATO nation. But we have every right as sovereign nations to supply another sovereign nation with arms.

I swear to God if I hear the word sovereign again…

Is there even such a thing as an unsovereign nation?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:44 pm to
I'm a sovereign citizen. Don't believe me? Just ask.
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:44 pm to
I’m not. If Putin’s nukes are as ‘effective’ as his military then B-2s should be taking a big fat shite on this supposed convoy.

PT losers will never admit it, but Russia’s military is all a giant bluff
Posted by phunkatron
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:44 pm to
Based on the body count of Russian aircraft just from today, what gives you the inclination that the Russian Air Force is even capable of that?
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:44 pm to
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I’ve said from the beginning that overt action should not be taken until a Russian fires on a NATO nation. But we have every right as sovereign nations to supply another sovereign nation with arms.


You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. You either want in this thing or not. Supplying fighter aircraft, possibly armed taking off from a NATO country will 100% be considered an act of war and will likely trigger a response that is reasonably justified.
Posted by USMEagles
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 7:44 pm to
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Is there even such a thing as an unsovereign nation?



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