re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Maybe WWI ? Maybe the American Revolutionary War

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Sometimes there are so many conditions/ingredients mixing together that the addition or removal of a couple wouldn't really change a lot. I think that's true with both of these conflicts.

With WWI if it wasn't Franz Ferdinand something else would have kicked it off. It was building either way. The assassination itself was actually a relatively minor thing if the other conditions of the time didn't exist.

The Revolution is a doozy because Britain was vastly overstepping, but also had valid reasons for raising some of the taxes they raised. With the founders I think you had a mix of people who legitimately wanted to create a free society of the people, and some who just saw it as a chance to grab power for themselves. A revolution of some kind likely happens even if you don't have some of the taxes that were applied, the Boston Massacre, quartering, etc. It probably would have just been much smaller and potentially unsuccessful.

I'm not saying that I think there are wars that are completely unavoidable necessarily, but there are some that you would have to go back decades if not centuries to change events in order to stop them.

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E.g. ...

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Again, you can't seem to fathom what I mean. I told you explicitly that you treat any and all Russian factions, of which there are many, as negotiating in good faith. We have again lots of documentary evidence that the nationalist wing of the Russian elite had revanchist claims even before NATO expanded. Again, in terms of the historical record, the preponderance of evidence shows that there was a large swath of the Western security decision-makers who were skeptical of Russian honesty in the 90's based on their own behavior. The main issue you don't seem to consider is that the Russians also chose this path for themselves. Or rather, the most powerful Russian faction was not actually interested in rapprochement with the West. That's the limitation of your perspective.

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You might as well join the cadre of retards who follow me around and accuse me of whatever without any proof.

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If you really have a cadre following you around I hope they don't expect you to lead them to a library or book store

I agree that there are complex issues that sometimes can't be overcome.

But if the US South spent 4 years after 1860 raising and training state militias, building an arms manufacturing base, and building a iron clad navy, then the election of 1864 looks totally different.

"Elect Lincoln again and we seceed" would have ensured Lincoln wasn't reelected. And the South could have negotiated the end of slavery with tons of leverage.

In Ukraine both Obama and Trump and Biden had the opportunity to really pour the military aid to Kiev for 8 years.

If Ukraine had Patriots and Abrams and Bradleys and F16s by 2020 then there's no way Putin invades in 2022.

Putin invaded because A) He wanted the country B) He thought his military was way more competent than it actually was C) He was misinformed about Ukraine and it's people's desire to be independent of Russian rule, and that they wouldn't fight.

If you change that calculus by arming the country, then the war doesn't happen

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I'd wager that I read more than anyone on this forum.

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Don't forget "I've been posting here for over a decade!" so you get the full message board Karen bingo card filled out

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That is a flatly stupid statement. You conflate the contention of no one negotiating in good faith with your idiotic invented premise.

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No, it isn't. Is this going to be another thing where I have to produce more documentary evidence to make up for your lack of knowledge? And I said there were certain factions that were not interested in negotiating in good faith. Politics is factional.

Yep the lab leak theories were very stupid. We've talked about this before. The only credence I can give to a possible lab leak is the improper handling of specimens, which is far more likely than the Chinese developing a method of handling RNA viruses which somehow do not require the use of specialized machinery and very specific buffers, of which there are only two or so companies that make them.

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You don't know why the Polish invasion occurred. You should. At least you should know prior to posting as if you do.

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Delicious

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You just dislike me calling you brah a lot.

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I actually don't mind it at all. I think its an obvious sign of low intelligence.