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Posted on 4/28/24 at 7:45 am to
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/28/24 at 7:45 am to
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So how are they then threatening the wages of American workers?


Is this a serious question?

What happens when you add supply of labor to a labor market?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9503 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 8:15 am to
quote:

Is this a serious question?

What happens when you add supply of labor to a labor market?


It is a fact that especially welders are in very short supply. Many process equipment fabrication companies could have increased business but are at 50% of needed welders. This has been going on for a decade. They are losing orders to Mexico, China, S. Korea, etc... because they cannot find workers build what is needed. It doesn't matter if the company is located in Upstate NY, Oklahoma, or Texas. The problem isn't price point to be competitive either.

If you had been to the Morgan City fabrication yards say 2 decades ago, the vast majority of workers were "Mexican". They certainly were in 2008.

At a fabrication yard in Butte, MT owned by Texas based major private industrial contractor, Bay Ltd, they had to import welders from India and the Philippines to produce contract volume of just under $1 billion annually for the several years they were building modules for the Canadian oilfields. They couldn't find enough American welders even with pay scales from $220 to $280 per hour depending on level of competency, which was acceptable price point for the buyers in Canada.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17888 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 8:39 am to
The shortage of welders goes back even further than that, Citizen K. Since we're telling off-topic old stories ...

In 1997, I gave a tour of Louisiana to then-Sen. Bob Smith of New Hampshire. Sen. Smith was supposedly considering a presidential campaign in 2000, and that would have obviously been difficult for a small-state senator, but this is the kind of thing that happens as people want to make connections for the future.

Smith got to sit in Tiger Stadium as the guest of then-State Rep. Jim Donelon and watch LSU beat #1 Florida (the atmosphere of which completely blew his mind), so his trip to Louisiana was certainly not without profit, but ...

As part of his Louisiana trip, we toured Avondale Shipyards and were told that they had a bunch of Indian guys there on work visas, because they couldn't find welders to train, even at the starting price of $17 per hour (which would be over $33 in today's dollars).
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
64 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 8:50 am to
This country can't absorb these illegals that come by the hundreds of thousands. The vast majority are on public assistance that we all are paying for. Commiting crimes and then being released without bail. It's a damn national disgrace. There is no crisis on the border. It's a disaster. It has to improve to become a crisis.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9503 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:15 am to
That was around the time that Turner Industries started a training program in LA prisons for non-violent offenders who would have guaranteed jobs upon release. They dropped the program by 2001 due the extremely high percentage who returned to old ways within a year.

So we progress to 2010 when a company couldn't find American welders at over $200 per hour, with guaranteed 60 hr work weeks (overtime pay out the wazoo) to relocate for 4 years.

This was a big issue in build out of field production facilities in Bakken at about the same time. The propane tank fabrication plant opened since then at Fargo had to be shutdown a year ago. Not enough welders, so the new company builds them all in Mexico. The cost of shipping to ND is around $100,000 each, so Fargo was easily competitive.but for lack of labor.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23206 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:18 am to
quote:

It is a fact that especially welders are in very short supply. Many process equipment fabrication companies could have increased business but are at 50% of needed welders. This has been going on for a decade. They are losing orders to Mexico, China, S. Korea, etc... because they cannot find workers build what is needed. It doesn't matter if the company is located in Upstate NY, Oklahoma, or Texas. The problem isn't price point to be competitive either. If you had been to the Morgan City fabrication yards say 2 decades ago, the vast majority of workers were "Mexican". They certainly were in 2008. At a fabrication yard in Butte, MT owned by Texas based major private industrial contractor, Bay Ltd, they had to import welders from India and the Philippines to produce contract volume of just under $1 billion annually for the several years they were building modules for the Canadian oilfields. They couldn't find enough American welders even with pay scales from $220 to $280 per hour depending on level of competency, which was acceptable price point for the buyers in Canada.


You didn't need to write all this, you could have simply said, "Turbeauxdog is correct"
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9503 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:35 am to
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You didn't need to write all this, you could have simply said, "Turbeauxdog is correct"


Not to lower wages but we cannot fill the jobs available. How many will want to learn how to weld or other skilled labor is the real question which needs to be answered. Plants have a hard time finding applicants who can read at 3rd grade level already. That's a much bigger issue than passing a piss test drug screen among actual citizens
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 10:36 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19291 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 11:24 am to
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Not to lower wages but we cannot fill the jobs available. How many will want to learn how to weld or other skilled labor is the real question which needs to be answered.


Those people exist, but as a demographic, they've been savaged. And it will take a generation to rebuild that part of America. And while that's not convenient, the patriotic thing to do is suffer through. High wages, over time, will draw people into these trades. Importing foreigners, which is hugely anti-American, perpetuates the current situation.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
460 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 12:46 pm to
Is this true? That your book?
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
553 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Illegal border crossers are killing Americans, stealing and actively destroying the US


There's a difference between "illegal border crossers" and the asylum seekers who turn themselves into the border control immediately... like, "HEY, WHERE IS THE BORDER PATROL!?! I CLAIM ASYLUM!!!"

We do need to update the laws around asylum and clarify who we're willing to accept and why.

But conflating two different groups of people with different agendas is incorrect.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
1969 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

You don't find other races as attractive as white people


Personal preference is a problem now?
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
1969 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:27 pm to
“Asylum seekers”

Some of you need to seek out an asylum if you legitimately believe what you type
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
553 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

quote:
So how are they then threatening the wages of American workers?


Is this a serious question?

What happens when you add supply of labor to a labor market?


He said "they" don't come to work but just get handouts, in which case they are not adding labor to the labor market.

But I posted something about this, immigrants from south of the border are filling in for missing American farm workers in rural areas... there's a labor deficit they are filling. Americans are not staying in those areas to be farm labor. The farming economy depends on them, and that's why no matter what dog and pony show is constantly flogged up for the media no one will really stop them from entering the US and getting work visas, or sneaking in for harvest season and working under the table.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
1969 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:32 pm to
We don’t need as many people coming in as there are currently to fill fricking farm jobs
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
553 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

This country can't absorb these illegals that come by the hundreds of thousands. The vast majority are on public assistance that we all are paying for. Commiting crimes and then being released without bail. It's a damn national disgrace. There is no crisis on the border. It's a disaster. It has to improve to become a crisis.


again, are immigrants stealing everybody's jobs or are they just on public assistance?

the angle flip flops instantly in arguments. It has to be one or the other.

Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
460 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:37 pm to
Why not both?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17888 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:38 pm to
quote:


Is this true? That your book?


Are you really asking if SirWinston is saying the truth? Bless your heart.

No, I have not written a book. I chose my username because I was working full-time in GOP politics. I was political director of the Louisiana GOP even before I graduated from LSU and worked in a number of campaigns. In 2006, I quit my political career for the sake of my family (though I still did a bit of work later for Fred Thompson's campaign), as campaign work really doesn't end up as 9 to 5. After that, I stayed on the state party's central committee until 2012, when I grew alienated from the party's turn towards conspiricism.

Overall, I'm proud of the work that I did back then. A lot of what I did was trying to keep the Louisiana GOP in the control of the conservatives, as opposed to the Bollinger family, John Treen, and the moderates who only wanted the party to focus on business objectives.

I don't pretend that I have any key connections to power today. If you told Scalise my name, he'd probably have to think a minute to remember me. Cassidy too. Landry and Kennedy probably wouldn't remember my name at all. But I do understand how political stuff works, and my comments in here on the political process as it concerns Congress, etc. are based on real knowledge.

SirWinston mocked me when I repeatedly said that an aid package would eventually pass Congress, because of the political forces involved, and also because I know Speaker Johnson very well from the time 20 years ago when we were both at Parkview Baptist Church in Baton Rouge.

SirWinston is fundamentally incapable of taking the L about being wrong on that, so he keeps trying to come up with new insults, but they're just stupid and make me laugh.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
553 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

Importing foreigners, which is hugely anti-American



Yes... Americans were here at the dawn of mankind and have never come from anywhere else!!!
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
460 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:38 pm to
Fair enough. But mfer dox people these days
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3683 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:45 pm to
quote:


Personal preference is a problem now?


Nope. Not at all. He just hates interracial couples.
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