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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/2/23 at 1:47 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/2/23 at 1:47 pm to
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Are these good enough to get past Russian air defense systems that they have near the bridge?


I would say like a hot knife through soft butter, but there won't be any contact with missiles and bullets from air defenses, just like regular HIMARS munitions
Posted by jefffan
Florence- Sumter- Columbia, SC
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Posted on 4/2/23 at 1:49 pm to
Alleged Russian losses during March. As already stated, Ukraine placed a big emphasis on blowing up artillery and rockets during the month.

Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 4/2/23 at 1:52 pm to
They can be intercepted but it’s not nearly as easy as the Russians are claiming. If they went for Kerch they would send several at once with the idea that that in the worst case some will get through. This is costly though and also another reason they hesitate to give them to Ukraine because with all the air defense it would expend them fairly quickly. There are also different warheads for the ATACMS. They make a an anti-personnel and light vehicle type with fragmentation munitions, a standard HE (high explosive) warhead as well as a 500 lb. penetrating warhead. Of course the penetrating variant would be the best choice for a bridge but I’m not sure how many of those are in the inventory.
This post was edited on 4/2/23 at 1:54 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 4/2/23 at 2:07 pm to
I’ve noticed Russia has been using their older Su-27 aircraft a bit more in place of some of their more modern variants. This could be a coincidence or they are wary of losing more modern airframes to AA defenses. Since the start I have said the Gripen is the far and away best choice for Ukraine in this current war. They are touch as hell with robust landing gear like you mentioned and most of all they were specifically designed to be easily worked on anywhere with just basic hand tools so if you were to have a forward area in a field somewhere and a road as a landing strip maintenance crews could make repairs and get it back in the air. Their engine can be swapped in just one hour. The downside is of course the limited number of them and the time it would take to train pilots properly which is why if a fighter were to eventually be sent it’s all but assuredly the f-16. That being said if the Ukes could cut a deal to have maybe a squadron or two at the most of used Gripens transferred with an order of another 3-4 dozen of new Gripens to be built and delivered down the line maybe that could work because Saab is actively looking for air forces to make orders for new aircraft which is why they were pissed at the Swiss for backing out of a deal for new Gripens in favor of f-35s.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/2/23 at 2:16 pm to
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As already stated, Ukraine placed a big emphasis on blowing up artillery and rockets during the month.



Prepping the battlefield, setting conditions.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 3:05 pm to
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Israeli Air Force shot down tonight a drone launched from Syria. UAV was Iranian as per first reports. Comes after several waves of Israeli airstrikes past days against IRGC assets in Damascus (2 Iranian Captains killed) & Homs province.


LINK

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Explosions are been reported in the vicinity of Damascus International Airport in the Syrian Capital.

The Israeli Response came quick…


LINK
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 4/2/23 at 3:59 pm to
Some things from the last day or so

Interesting thread from Tatarigami about the "Club of Angry Patriots" which examines the possibility of internal dissension within Russia, though as he notes, a prior incarnation the "Committee of January 25th" achieved little. Also interesting in light of the explosion at the cafe where other Russian milbloggers were gathering.

Twitter - @Tatargami_UA

Article examining the formation of the three new army corps in Ukraine and how they should be organised.

19FortyFive.com - Should Ukraine bring back divisions?

This in particular could be cause for concern if true, Ukraine can't really afford this attitude with less manpower.

quote:

Glenn Grant, a British defense analyst and advisor to Ukraine’s military, wrote that he fears the current structure lends itself to this: “There are simply too many organizations working separately from each other and even at times in opposition. This creates pockets of “first, second and third “divisions of quality where some units are equipped and trained properly, and others are not… This lack of a common concept encourages organizational arrogance where some parts of the military system are considered better or more important than others and are both treated and act so. This attitude risks sending soldiers and volunteers to their death early because the system has not valued them sufficiently to prepare them properly for the realities of battle.”



Photos reportedly of Ukrainians training with M2 Bradleys, looks like they've gotten rid of the desert cam paint jobs.

Twitter - @NOELreports

Edit: Quote and clarity.
This post was edited on 4/2/23 at 4:09 pm
Posted by FIREAWAY
Member since Jul 2022
512 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 6:41 pm to
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Interior ministry sources quoted by Russia's RIA news agency said a bomb was hidden in a statue presented to Tatarsky in a box as a gift.


It's better to give than receive.
Posted by FIREAWAY
Member since Jul 2022
512 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 6:45 pm to
It seems like war is just a big game of tit for tat. At what point do prominent people start losing some skin?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 7:03 pm to
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Is this what you are looking for? It lists everything under the draw down



I just want the basic numbers, which that doesn't provide. In other words, I want to see:

- The US has $_ billion left in drawdown authority
- There is $_ billion left in authorized USAI funds
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13228 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 7:05 pm to
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It's better to give than receive.

Yeah...I'm sure there were no plain civilians killed with it.

Posted by FIREAWAY
Member since Jul 2022
512 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 7:09 pm to
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Yeah...I'm sure there were no plain civilians killed with it.


I think the cafe was rented out to military bloggers.
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3948 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 7:15 pm to
There probably wasn’t and I’m not sure there is such thing as a plain/innocent Russian civilian at this point. They are pretty much the equivalent of German citizens in WWII.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105285 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 7:18 pm to
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Yeah...I'm sure there were no plain civilians killed with it.



Take it up with the FSB. This was a message to Prigozhin.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13228 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 7:45 pm to
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I think the cafe was rented out to military bloggers.

And the staff? people walking on the street?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150131 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 7:47 pm to
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I'm sure there were no plain civilians killed with it.
why do we only care about civilian deaths when its Russians and not Ukrainians
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13228 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 7:47 pm to
Well...If you want to get the Russian people involved in this war, I mean really involved, I guess using terrorist tactics would do it.

Seems counter productive when someone could have just taken out one man.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 7:49 pm to
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I believe that when the Ukrainians start their offensive, they will have the ATACMS. If not in great number, at least enough to take out the Kerch Bridge and the two bridges connecting Crimea with Southern Kherson.

The smoke we are hearing about why we can't send them is just that - smoke. The first news the Russians get of their presence in Ukraine will be when the opening barrage of the offensive drops those bridges.

To assure success in this offensive and therefore the best possibility of an end to the war on Ukrainian terms, the White House has to send them. Hell, they may already be in the country.


I disagree. The only way that I can make sense of the decisions of the NSA/White House is in the context of the "understanding" that the US reportedly had with China early in the war.

Reportedly, in the early days of the war, President Biden and President Xi had an understanding that the US would not provide jets to Ukraine, and China would not assist Russia in the war. This was not any kind of formal agreement -- just a "I won't send X if you don't send Y" understanding.

The US insists that it is no longer worried about "escalation" in the sense of a Russian reaction. Nor is there evidence that the Biden administration is still primarily concerned about the impact of a Ukrainian victory in terms of chaos inside Russia. And support in the US public for Ukraine aid remains high.

That indicates that there is another political reason that the US is not delivering ATACMS and F-16s.

And I personally think that Biden and Xi have extended and modified that understanding. That's why, despite all the thoughts that China might supply Russia with some real military assistance, it hasn't happened. Xi went to Moscow to meet with Putin, and Putin got almost nothing that he wanted.

That's why, I believe, we see the UK probably sending Storm Shadow and why there are rumors of the French buying their Mirage 2000 jets back from the UAE to give them to Ukraine -- the US isn't going to send ATACMS and F-16s, because it wants to keep China out of the game.

Again, this is just my opinion, but it's the only way things make sense to me.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24868 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 7:57 pm to
Makes sense. When things get started again, we will probably all be incorrect. U's seem so far, to be unpredictable.
Posted by BambiisDead
Member since Mar 2023
188 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 8:30 pm to
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DMAN1968


Welcome to war.

Its mean, it's ugly, it's bloody.

Its pointless to try to combat it's nature.
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