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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:16 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:16 pm to
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The first one of those that show up on Twitter as a burning hulk will ruffle Putin's feathers.



Not as much as the first one that ends up in the hands of the tractor brigade.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:18 pm to
It's been called a Super Tank and the best tank in the world. They are taking a huge risk by deploying it against the Leopard. If it performs poorly, there goes the export market for it and it will be yet another humiliation for Russia.

I fully expect to see:

1) A $400 drone putting one out of action
2) Russia use it to clear minefields
3) One being towed off the battlefield
4) A Javelin or Stuga P taking one out.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:20 pm to
I don't care how good it is it won't survive a direct hit from a 155.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:25 pm to
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This is an absolutely stupid move by the Russians if true.

1. Twenty tanks are not going to make a difference on the battlefield at anything more than a localized tactical level.

2. If these are the only T-14s they have, then what are they going to use to train new tank crews and formations on how to use the T-14?

The logical move would be to (1) send these 20 T-14s to their tank schools to train crews on the T-14 and (2) focus industrial output on pumping out as many T-14s as possible. It doesn’t appear this ever occurred to the Russians though.


Russia does not have the ability to make significant numbers of T-14s. Russia had actually dedicated an assembly line and ordered the necessary machine tools from Germany, but then the war started and sanctions prevented the Germans from sending the machine tools.

So, Russia can only make T-14s in their so-called "experimental workshop," putting out about one new T-14 per month.

And, yes, the T-14 uses a completely different type of engine than all previous Russian tanks, and I have read that it is finicky and prone to break down. Perhaps we shall see.

But I doubt that T-14s will ever be built in quantity. The financial viability of a T-14 factory was always based on the export market, and that isn't going to recover for a very long time.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:27 pm to
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Glad you called him out on this dishonest post.



I'm glad he did, also, but ultimately it won't matter b/c he's brainwashed/dumb enough to believe what he's saying is actually the truth
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:33 pm to
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On the Crimea bridge, Russians have removed the rail span...


Twitter link video
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:38 pm to
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Not all are convicts. The French Foreign Legion has convicts as well


What % are convicts. And I understand 95% of Russians are a drunk, criminal culture.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:50 pm to
By the end of the week, they will have captured or destroyed at least 200 Leopard tanks.

https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1630906984823234562
quote:

"The Russian Armed Forces seized a Leopard tank near Bakhmut. As far as I know, the crew of the captured tank is Polish mercenaries" - Deputy Secretary of the Donetsk branch of United Russia Alexei Muratov ??????

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:59 pm to
Have an Leos been delivered to the front yet? I highly doubt it.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:05 pm to
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Have an Leos been delivered to the front yet? I highly doubt it.



No. Every one of those is going into the new mechanized brigades that are being formed for the spring offensive. There's zero chance that one of them would be in Bakhmut.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:07 pm to
Ok. Didn’t think so.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:08 pm to
I read a day or two ago that Poland delivered 4 of them. I highly doubt there were any in Bahkmut. Supposedly they are being given to new constituted battalions for the spring offensive, so that also precludes any being in Bahkmut.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:10 pm to
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On the Crimea bridge, Russians have removed the rail span...


Putin is master strategist... if the span isn't there it can't be destroyed.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:13 pm to
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I read a day or two ago that Poland delivered 4 of them. I highly doubt there were any in Bahkmut. Supposedly they are being given to new constituted battalions for the spring offensive, so that also precludes any being in Bahkmut.


I’d imagine whatever handful may have been delivered so far would still be in use as training tanks far away from the front.

You can’t just take guys, even trained tankers, and put them in a completely new tank and expect them to know even how to start it, much less deploy and fight in it without proper training.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:14 pm to
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The Russian Armed Forces seized a Leopard tank near Bakhmut.


Probably taken off the third floor right above a HIMARS emplacement.

Or they ordered one of these from Ozon.ru

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:16 pm to
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Well shite. I wasn’t planning on ordering a kit today….
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:22 pm to
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I read a day or two ago that Poland delivered 4 of them. I highly doubt there were any in Bahkmut. Supposedly they are being given to new constituted battalions for the spring offensive, so that also precludes any being in Bahkmut.


According to this, the claim about the captured tank was based on a doctored image from 2006 and had a Russian flag shopped in (badly).

DialogUA Journalist uncovers fake Leopard capture - Requires translation

I was not able to verify the claim of the picture being from 2006, other references claimed it as being 5 years old.

However a reverse image search did turn up this tweet from 2019 featuring the same picture, so if this is what the capture claim was based on it's horseshite.

Twitter - @JonHawkes275 - 8th Oct 19

Edit: Other link/clarification.
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 9:38 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:39 pm to
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I’d imagine whatever handful may have been delivered so far would still be in use as training tanks far away from the front.

You can’t just take guys, even trained tankers, and put them in a completely new tank and expect them to know even how to start it, much less deploy and fight in it without proper training.


All the training is happening in Germany and Poland.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 9:50 pm to
LINK

I guess Russia got tired of getting tanks blown up in Vuhledar, so now they are simply getting their infantry blown up there.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 10:15 pm to
Remember the explosions in Mariupol a couple of nights ago? I referenced conventional wisdom that Ukraine had probably decided to push a HIMARS unit right up to the front line.

But The Drive has an alternate possible explanation: the Vilkha, a Ukrainian update of the Soviet Smerch system.



quote:

The Vilkha-M has a range of 110km (68 miles) and a 300mm, 485-pound warhead that can hit targets with great accuracy, Ivan Vinnyk, first deputy head of the National Association of Ukrainian Defense Industries, told The War Zone Tuesday.

By comparison, the GMLRS munitions - fired by the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS and the M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) provided to Ukraine - have a range of up to about 80km (about 50 miles) and a 227mm, 200-pound warhead.

“Yes, the Vilkha has been used in combat,” Vinnyk said Tuesday during the US-Ukraine Security Dialogue XV conference held at the National Press Club in Washington. He could not disclose the exact location of where the Vilkha-M missiles were used.

In subsequent conversations on Wednesday, Vinnyk told The War Zone that the Vilkha-M modification program began in 2018 and that about 100 units have been produced.

They were first used in combat in May, 2022, he added.

Their precision, he said, is boosted by so-called “gas rudders” - scores of small holes emitting propellant - used to direct the missile on the target via GPS. While the Vilkha-M is said to be quite accurate and a precision munition, just how accurate isn't disclosed at this time.
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Though so far produced in small numbers, the Vilkha-M gives Ukraine a munition that reaches 36 percent further with more than twice the payload of the GMLRS.

And there are plans underway, said Vinnyk, to modify the Vilkha-M to boost the range to 150km (about 93 miles).

As with where the Vilkha-Ms have been used, Vinnyk declined to specify exactly when the longer-range variants might be ready or how many will be produced.

“Let’s say, hopefully just in time for the widely estimated date of counter-offensive on the south towards Azov Sea,” he told The War Zone.

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