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re: La Guardia airport closed after plane collides with fire truck on runway
Posted on 3/23/26 at 7:55 pm to Stat M Repairman
Posted on 3/23/26 at 7:55 pm to Stat M Repairman
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Wonder if the United captain feels guilty about ordering a fire truck out of an abundance of caution?
Probably keeping him up at night but not another soul should give it an ounce of thought
Posted on 3/23/26 at 8:06 pm to Stat M Repairman
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This is what happens when a plane hits a firetruck but if it hits the twin towers it will knock them down
I mean common sense would suggest if the Firetruck was bolted to the ground, the plane would look very different. Kind of like the Korean crash.
If feels dumb even having to explain this. Thanks for that.
Posted on 3/23/26 at 8:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I hear they identified the ATC.


Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:27 am to fightin tigers
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There was actually no evidence.
Incorrect. Your inability to understand what you're reading does not make it false.
ETA: But you just keep your head right up in your backside and leave your safety up to hopes and dreams while DEI hires cause accidents.
This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 1:30 am
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:53 am to jcaz
He is talking to both the truck and Aircraft which means the positions were likely combined. I don't know ,but that is what it sounds like in the clip you posted. In the clip the Truck1 and company say crossing runway 4 at Delta. Than the controller tells Frontier 4195 to stop than goes back to the truck and tells him to stop. We need more audio. Did the controller give Truck 1 premission to cross while the aircraft was on final and cleared to land? If so it is on the controller. If he told Truck 1 to hold short of the runway and didn't get a holdshort readback than that is also partially on the controller. From what I read they were responding to another aircraft on the ground with a minor problem or emergency. You would need the whole audio to see exactly what happened. Signs are pointing to controller error here.
Edit this is the audio and it appears that Frontier was ground traffic. He told the truck to cross at Delta and then said stop several times. So the positions may not have been combined and that is a frick up between LC and GC or if the positions were combined on the controller. My former manager was adamant that we put runway crossing requests on tape for this very reason. If Ground didn't get Local's premission it is on him. If positions were combined still on him. This is controller's fault all the way.
Edit this is the audio and it appears that Frontier was ground traffic. He told the truck to cross at Delta and then said stop several times. So the positions may not have been combined and that is a frick up between LC and GC or if the positions were combined on the controller. My former manager was adamant that we put runway crossing requests on tape for this very reason. If Ground didn't get Local's premission it is on him. If positions were combined still on him. This is controller's fault all the way.
This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 7:52 am
Posted on 3/24/26 at 6:55 am to NoSaint
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Wonder if the United captain feels guilty about ordering a fire truck out of an abundance of caution?
I am sure he feels bad about the accident ,but he did what he was supposed to do.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:01 am to stelly1025
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In the clip the Truck1 and company say crossing runway 4 at Delta. Than the controller tells Frontier 4195 to stop than goes back to the truck and tells him to stop.
I noticed early on that the controller may have caused some confusion with this statement...from Transcript
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Controller: “Frontier 4195, stop there please. (Pause.) Stop, stop, stop, truck one, stop, stop, stop. Stop, truck one, stop! Stop, truck one, stop.”
The first time I heard the audio, I thought the bolded text above was directed at Frontier 4195. It was actually directed at the truck, but he didn't call it out until after he said "stop" 3x.
It may not have made a difference, but it was a blip in communication.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:39 am to BHM
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Also, what triggers the red stop bar lights to be on or off? My understanding is that they are controlled by ATC. If ATC gave the truck the go head then they would have turned off the lights right?
Runway status lights are not controlled by ATC. They detect when an aircraft is landing/taking off/crossing, etc and turn red on their own.
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