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re: Kirk Herbstreit slams Travel Ball culture

Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:14 pm to
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:14 pm to
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People bitch about those people more than they do about travel ball.


i must have missed the thread where kirk herbstreit slams disney world goers.
Posted by profdillweed
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:21 pm to
Disney pays his salary
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:22 pm to
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And for all the money parents dish out, what is the return?
While I understand some travel ball criticism, the return on investing for an activity your kids enjoy seems to be a new, exclusive criticism of travel ball.

I think 3 things. 1.) Parents posting about their kids getting a hit is ridiculous. Stop it people. Send it out to the grandparents. No one else cares and it is a bad look. 2) None of it really matters until they get their mini man bodies, so until they start going thru puberty, traveling really doesnt matter. 3) when they do start turning into a strong ball player you can assess them then and based on the kids interests and desires, invest then. Then it is fairly expensive. Travel is no longer packing a SUV, you start trying to correct weaknesses and the coaches that can help are not close, and they are not cheap. If you enter the showcase world that has a cost, the summer team has a costs, fall season has a cost. Balance that with football and it creates more issues with time and energy and weekends being eaten alive.
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:23 pm to
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i must have missed the thread where kirk herbstreit slams disney world goers.


Herbie doesn't but there are plenty of threads bashing Disney adults, he owes his paycheck to the mouse.

There is a Rolling Stone article about how they are the most hated group on the internet. You didn't pick the best example.

Rolling Stone
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 3:25 pm
Posted by profdillweed
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:26 pm to
Considering Herb works for Disney he’s not going to bite the hand that feeds him
Posted by CR4090
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:30 pm to
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Disney pays his salary


ahh... now the real agenda is being dug up. disney hates travel ball cause it takes out of their pockets from middle class america not doing their bullshite vacay to disney cause they got travel ball expenses they choose to participate in.
Posted by profdillweed
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:40 pm to
Disney World in Fla host several Travel Ball events all year long.

They are definitely cashing in on travel ball
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:41 pm to
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ahh... now the real agenda is being dug up. disney hates travel ball cause it takes out of their pockets from middle class america not doing their bullshite vacay to disney cause they got travel ball expenses they choose to participate in.


They got that whole ESPN sports complex down there, they are in on the travel sports game.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:42 pm to
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They got that whole ESPN sports complex down there, they are in on the travel sports game.


well i haven't been cause i can't afford it cause i spend all my money on travel baseball and softball.
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:53 pm to
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umm some one want to let him in on how baseball works down there? are you under the impression the DR kids are kids they found playing stick ball in the streets at 15?


That’s not at all what I’m saying.

I just find it humorous that people on here will spend thousands for their kid to advance to a “World Series” in Georgia, or Lafayette, or wherever…then when Juan comes up from the DR, he will immediately take the place of your kid.

You can’t buy your way into a professional big league career. The best players will reveal themselves based on ability. The kids in impoverished countries have more pressure, more at stake, and fewer distractions than your suburban kid.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:58 pm to
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That’s not at all what I’m saying.

I just find it humorous that people on here will spend thousands for their kid to advance to a “World Series” in Georgia, or Lafayette, or wherever…then when Juan comes up from the DR, he will immediately take the place of your kid.

You can’t buy your way into a professional big league career. The best players will reveal themselves based on ability. The kids in impoverished countries have more pressure, more at stake, and fewer distractions than your suburban kid.


why do yall think playing travel ball is about making it to the pros and anything else is a failure?

how many times do yall have to be told?

and yea those DR kids are essentially indentured servants giving up huge portions of any signing bonus they get.

and yea in america we have too many choices.

but the things besides money that yall bitch about when it comes to travel ball....DR and Japan are way way worse. but people say....see travel ball is bad, look how many from DR and Japan are in the league now not realizing those cultures are like travel ball on steroids.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 4:01 pm to
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The kids in impoverished countries have more pressure, more at stake, and fewer distractions than your suburban kid.
so wouldn’t it behoove an American child to be put in an environment with more pressure, higher stakes, and was intensely focused on one thing?
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 4:13 pm to
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so wouldn’t it behoove an American child to be put in an environment with more pressure, higher stakes, and was intensely focused on one thing?


…so you want to emulate how poor countries work? Sure, I mean, I guess you can toss your kid out of the house at 14 and tell him to go to a camp and learn how to play ball. For every success story in the DR, there’s hundreds that don’t leave the island and become fishermen, laborers, etc.
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 4:17 pm to
DR operates that way out of necessity. I’m not saying it’s better to ship a kid to a baseball camp. Baseball is one of the few years one of those Latin kids can make it big.

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why do yall think playing travel ball is about making it to the pros and anything else is a failure?


This is a matter of opinion. Maybe YOU don’t consider it a failure. Hell, it shouldn’t be considered a failure. Fact is, many parents use this as a means to get to college. I am at the youth fields multiple days a week as an umpire. I see plenty of the bad side. That said, I think the determining factor is whether you consider the financial investment worthwhile for your kid. Some do. Some don’t.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 4:21 pm to
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so you want to emulate how poor countries work? Sure, I mean, I guess you can toss your kid out of the house at 14 and tell him to go to a camp and learn how to play ball. For every success story in the DR, there’s hundreds that don’t leave the island and become fishermen, laborers, etc.
oh. Moving goalposts.

At some point, to compete, a kid must challenge himself a touch prior to high school. The better the player the more demanding it will become.


There is a mile between quitting rec at 11 or so then trying out for your high school and shipping them off to camp.

Why the hyperbole?

Posted by profdillweed
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 4:22 pm to
You can send a US citizen kid to the DR to those camps or compounds but as long as they are US citizens they have to play by US rules as far as recruiting goes.

Those kids down there don’t.
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 4:31 pm to
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oh. Moving goalposts.


No. You compared pressure to playing ball in DR.

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At some point, to compete, a kid must challenge himself a touch prior to high school. The better the player the more demanding it will become.


No shite

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There is a mile between quitting rec at 11 or so then trying out for your high school and shipping them off to camp. Why the hyperbole?


What hyperbole? You were the one who stretched the comparison.

You want your kid to face pressure before HS? Great. I think you can do that without travel ball.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 4:38 pm to
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You can’t buy your way into a professional big league career. T
You cant buy a roster spot at Sam Houston High either, but if you show up after a three year layoff of rec ball you gonna be on the tennis team real quick.

So, if your child has a desire, why not suppor tit if you can and there are no barriers to doing so?

Not all programs are Sam Houston, Barbe, WM, or Catholic...but more and more are getting better and better following the models they set forth.
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 4:45 pm to
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You cant buy a roster spot at Sam Houston High either, but if you show up after a three year layoff of rec ball you gonna be on the tennis team real quick.


Not sure what the scene is like in your immediate area, but here, there are leagues you can play in up until HS. It’s not a travel ball or no ball situation.
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