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Posted on 7/25/24 at 8:57 am to BIGJLAW
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I cannot comprehend how killing a baby has become so normal with society.
I mean, people get more enraged now if you kill a puppy but killing children is OK because of convenience. What a dysfunctional evil country we have become.
Vegans won't eat eggs because of ethical reasons. But kill all the babies you want.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 10:21 am to Dadren
quote:nope never said that. I said if he fricks a girl then finds out she’s pregnant and decides he doesn’t want to be a father he should be allowed to sign away rights at that time. Not later on when he decides too. The same way a woman can decide to put a child up for adoption and sign away her rights to the child so should a man.
So you’re really OK with a dude being able to decide, for whatever reason, under any circumstances, at any point during a child’s life, that he’s not going to support his child?
Posted on 7/25/24 at 10:51 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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nope never said that. I said if he fricks a girl then finds out she’s pregnant and decides he doesn’t want to be a father he should be allowed to sign away rights at that time. Not later on when he decides too. The same way a woman can decide to put a child up for adoption and sign away her rights to the child so should a man.
Why not later on? It seems to me that the argument in favor of allowing men to opt out of parental obligations is just as applicable after birth as it is before. And the effect on the kid is no different.
And as far as I know, a woman can’t unilaterally decide to put a kid up for adoption if the kid’s father is actually being a father. A man who is a single father can put a kid up for adoption just as easily as a single mom could, so I don’t see the inequity here.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 10:58 am to Dadren
quote:because it will have implications on the child who knows that their parent up and leaves them when they’re a 5 or 6 year old kid vs a kid who has 0 memory of that person or connection to them. So are you against adoption? Because that’s the equivalent to what I’m talking about
Why not later on? It seems to me that the argument in favor of allowing men to opt out of parental obligations is just as applicable after birth as it is before. And the effect on the kid is no different.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 11:08 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:77% of single mothers get no financial help from the father. So in the heavy majority this is already occurring
nope never said that. I said if he fricks a girl then finds out she’s pregnant and decides he doesn’t want to be a father he should be allowed to sign away rights at that time. Not later on when he decides too. The same way a woman can decide to put a child up for adoption and sign away her rights to the child so should a man.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 11:19 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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because it will have implications on the child who knows that their parent up and leaves them when they’re a 5 or 6 year old kid vs a kid who has 0 memory of that person or connection to them.
If a man is such a terrible person that he’d leave a kid that has bonded with him, there’s an argument to be made that he’s doing the kid a favor.
Add to that the fact that kid B is on average worse off financially than kid A who at least had 5-6 years or dual-parental support, and I think it’s questionable that kid A is better off.
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So are you against adoption? Because that’s the equivalent to what I’m talking about
No, what I’m saying is that both men and women have equal ability to give up kids for adoption, so saying that men need “something else” because women can give babies up for adoption doesn’t make any sense to me.
To be honest, this whole thread feels like a race to the bottom. Like “we’re trying to find ways for men and women to be equally irresponsible and the emphasis is on equal. The irresponsible part is secondary. Just gotta make sure it’s equal ability to be irresponsible”. It’s just weird.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 11:29 am to Dadren
I’m not going to argue with you anymore: clearly you have your belief and I have mine. You aren’t actually trying to refute anything I say you’re just making separate points. I won’t disagree that a man who would leave a child after a few years is doing the kid a favor but it’s still going to affect the child emotionally and psychologically
Posted on 7/25/24 at 12:04 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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then finds out she’s pregnant and decides he doesn’t want to be a father he should be allowed to sign away rights at that time
I tend to agree. And I hate the way the system works now; let's say the rolls were reversed and he wanted the baby and she didn't. She can go get an abortion and there's nothing he can do to stop her. It's screwed up.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 12:14 pm to REB BEER
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let's say the rolls were reversed and he wanted the baby and she didn't. She can go get an abortion and there's nothing he can do to stop her. It's screwed up.
I can agree with that.
A solution could be that if the father agrees to take sole custody of the child and contribute to prenatal care, the mother is obligated to carry the baby to term and pay child support after the baby is born.
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