re: Just a thought - The Immaculate Conception

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Bamafig

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Still pumping your idol nonsense I see.

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Anything you place between yourself and God is an idol. Be it sports, family or Mary.

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this is false but I understand it’s what you believe.

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This does not qualify them to be worshipped ( or its synonym, venerated)

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This is also false. Respected is a synonym for venerated.

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If it wasn’t Mary, it would have been someone else.

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According to whom? What Bible verse told you that?

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An intercessor for me to Christ?

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If you’ve ever asked her for her intercession, you’d be singing a different tune.

You don’t think Mary ever asked/asks Jesus to do things for her?

So lost. I pray, to God alone, that your eyes are opened to the free gift of grace through Christ alone. My best to you. There is nothing more that I can say to you. In the end it is the responsibility of the Holy Spirit to convict the souls of those in error. Neither I, nor an angel itself, can convince you otherwise. Have a blessed day.

That’s pretty disrespectful to God.

You too. We can respectfully disagree. Religion is such a personal thing. I have personally experienced many miracles after Mary interceded for me. I’ve had a devotion to her since I was a little kid. Meditating on the mysteries of the holy rosary has strengthened my understanding of and relationship with Christ more than even 14 years of Catholic schooling.

She leads people to her Son.

If Mary was without sin, she would have no need of grace.

But since she was full of grace, ergo she was full of sin.

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If Mary was without sin, she would have no need of grace.

But since she was full of grace, ergo she was full of sin.

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What?

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It says that she’s full of grace.

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Ok, having Grace doesn’t mean sinlessness.

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I must have missed the passage about grizzlylongcut’s grandparents being full of grace. What book is that passage in?

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[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: that as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

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For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

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But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

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And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

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If Mary was without sin, she would have no need of grace.

But since she was full of grace, ergo she was full of sin.

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I think this only strengthens Mo Jeaux's point that Catholics don't deify or worship Mary. Of course she needed someone to fill her with grace, she isn't God. But to be "totally and permanently" filled with grace (that is, the grace of God) would mean that she could not sin. To deny that would mean that a permanent grace from God could be defeated by sin, which I don't think any Christian would agree with.

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having Grace doesn’t mean sinlessness.

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Which is why I made my earlier point about the hermeneutics of how Mary is titled in the Bible. This isn't just "having" grace. A word meaning permanent, ever-present grace was used. That's different than the grace you or I receive.