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re: June 12, 2025: Air India 787 Dreamliner crashes in the city of Ahmedabad
Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:57 am to jmh5724
Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:57 am to jmh5724
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It just seems highly coincidental that they had sufficient thrust the entire way down the runway to reach Vr speed and then lost both engines immediately after takeoff.
Indeed. Both engines lost at that time is pretty bizarre.
I still think someone fricked up
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:57 am to jmh5724
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just seems highly coincidental that they had sufficient thrust the entire way down the runway to reach Vr speed and then lost both engines immediately after takeoff
Brutal timing. A few minutes later they can possibly turn it around and glide back in. A minute before they cut the takeoff.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:58 am to 777Tiger
And you think bad fuel could’ve made both flame out that quickly and at the same time?
Posted on 6/15/25 at 11:01 am to HeadCall
Question from a person that likes to act like they know about aviation because I'm a passenger so often 
Assume both engine loss would lead to everything else shutting down, thus why the landing gear didn't come up?
ETA: Because heard numerous analysts call that out. Although I guess if both engines cut right about they time they should, they aren't really worried about raising the landing gear at that point and trouble shooting the bigger issue.
Assume both engine loss would lead to everything else shutting down, thus why the landing gear didn't come up?
ETA: Because heard numerous analysts call that out. Although I guess if both engines cut right about they time they should, they aren't really worried about raising the landing gear at that point and trouble shooting the bigger issue.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 11:05 am
Posted on 6/15/25 at 11:04 am to Lsut81
Well I don’t know the ins and outs of the 787 and have been flying Boeings for less than a year but I’d assume without power from the engines to run pumps it would be tough to get the gear up. Or they were in so much trouble that pulling the gear up was the least of their worries.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 11:06 am to HeadCall
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they were in so much trouble that pulling the gear up was the least of their worries
Just added that to my post as you were responding.
Guess the flight data recorder will reveal all and the convos going on in the cockpit.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 11:23 am to HeadCall
And that's what the RAT is for right? (I watched a video last night ( )
)Posted on 6/15/25 at 11:31 am to LSUbasketballfan
Recording isn't weird since they are right next to the airport but the lack,of WTF, OMG, or any kind of reaction is odd
Posted on 6/15/25 at 11:36 am to chaso
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but the lack,of WTF, OMG, or any kind of reaction is odd
Aviate, Navigate, OMG-WTF-icate
Posted on 6/15/25 at 11:42 am to chaso
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since they are right next to the airport
Random question, but I've always heard that in the US all major airports are built with major highways alongside or nearby for potential diversions if needed.
When I think about it, most happen to be that way, but of course could be out of convenience due to traffic in/out.
Is there any truth to that? Or old wives tale?
Not that it would have mattered here, but they basically went right into a neighborhood with no place to put down that was more open.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 12:17 pm to HeadCall
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And you think bad fuel could’ve made both flame out that quickly and at the same time?
highest demand for fuel during the entire flight, a head scratcher for sure, trying to think of a non-weather/water fowl related example of this in the past, another sinister, terrifying possibility comes to mind but I'm going to do some research at work before even mentioning it
Posted on 6/15/25 at 12:18 pm to 777Tiger
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fuel contamination would be high on the suspect list for me
With dual engine loss and no apparent bird strike/compressor stall visuals I was leaning towards a fuel delivery issue myself.
Not knowing the fuel systems in these modern birds, would it be possible for an electrical issue to kill whatever controls the fuel pumps themselves?
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 12:21 pm to AUTimbo
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would it be possible for an electrical issue to kill whatever controls the fuel pumps themselves?
if it was a dual engine failure, load shedding would have dropped off a pump in each tank but even if they all quit the jet would be gravity feeding at that phase of flight
Posted on 6/15/25 at 12:33 pm to AUTimbo
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Not knowing the fuel systems in these modern birds, would it be possible for an electrical issue to kill whatever controls the fuel pumps themselves?
Anything is possible but there are multiple redundant systems. Unlike a car which only has one tank, one fuel pump and one electrical circuit.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 12:43 pm to HeadCall
Latest thing I saw was that a clear video was found and the RAT did automatically deploy indicating a power failure at the worst possible time.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:23 pm to Auburn1968
According to the survivor the engine thrust went up again just before the crash. So seems they had at least one engine again but too late to recover.
ETA if the survivors account is accurate.
ETA if the survivors account is accurate.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:27 pm to Lsut81
Absolutely no truth to that in today’s world
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:15 pm to Auburn1968
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Latest thing I saw was that a clear video was found and the RAT did automatically deploy indicating a power failure at the worst possible time.
Don't know much about this guy, but he had an earlier video where the theorized that the co-pilot pulled the flaps up instead of the gear and that's what caused the plane to plummet. He took that back when he saw that new video. Breaks it down really well. You can hear what sounds like a single prop airplane as the jet flies by on the new video, which he says is a dead giveaway that the RAT was deployed, probably a double engine failure.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:26 pm to sicboy
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Don't know much about this guy,
me either, but
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theorized that the co-pilot pulled the flaps up instead of the gear
that’s a dumbass take
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