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Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:45 am to victoire sécurisé
quote:Bottom line, both individuals in this scenario have done something illegal. If the rapist was put in jail, I would have no problem with that at all, especially since he was with an underage girl and tried to cover it up. As far as the poor guy from south of the border, there is a process to come into this country legally. Follow that and there is no problem.
I know these are two starkly different topics, lenient rape sentences and harsh immigration policies. But I find the differences in comments fascinating. It seems like this board can easily empathize with this guy who “banged an underaged hostess” and had “sexual impulse” problems with an ex, but can’t empathize at all with a poor guy from south of the border whose best course of action in life is to wait tables or mow lawns in a forbidden land.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:47 am to Displaced
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lol, I fricking nailed it!
Then you're going to jail.
However, I think you might have suggested it was a hostess and I unconsciously picked it up. They actually didn't specify her job, just that he was the manager.
Could have been a waitress or a prep girl (they did "do it" on a prep table). The whole thing was caught on security cameras which ultimately brought our boy down.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:50 am to DemonKA3268
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Follow that and there is no problem.
That doesn’t really address the dichotomy. Don’t rape, and this guy wouldn’t have a problem.
The point is that one guy has a path available to him that doesn’t destroy the life he has built. The other doesn’t. The rapist has some form of leniency under the law. The illegal immigrant doesn’t. I don’t think that’s just. I’m positive the majority of this board will disagree, which baffles me.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:50 am to Ace Midnight
Ace, please don't rape my granddaughter when she turns 16 under the guise of her being "slightly underaged". It will crush me.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:51 am to Festus
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Ace, please don't rape my granddaughter when she turns 16 under the guise of her being "slightly underaged". It will crush me.
Completely agree with this. Let’s not forget that there’s a reason this guy was prosecuted in the first place.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:51 am to DemonKA3268
The hug a thug trend needs to stop. This POS needs Jerome to break one off in him.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:52 am to victoire sécurisé
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I know these are two starkly different topics
And yet you strangely tried to conflate them, here. Congrats on being self-aware enough to concede this point.
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but can’t empathize at all with a poor guy from south of the border whose best course of action in life is to wait tables or mow lawns in a forbidden land.
I can empathize with the invaders all I want. Hell, I can empathize with 18-year old Kamikaze pilots or 16-year old Wehrmacht conscripts in 1944 and still oppose them.
This guy, in particular, isn't the same guy hiding in the bushes and dragging women behind dumpsters with a knife or a gun. He just isn't. And the circumstances of both incidents, while troubling, suggest the guy may benefit from intervention short of prison.
By the same token, I can understand the drive to get to the U.S. by any means necessary, and still oppose illegal immigration.
It's called "critical thinking", rather than knee jerk emotionalism (which is the purview of extremists on both sides, but particularly the left of late).
Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:55 am to victoire sécurisé
quote:No disputing that. He's a POS. Basically, don't commit a crime and you won't have to worry about doing time. I agree about the leniency issue, punishment for crimes needs to be standardized across the board in relation to the crime committed. Unfortunately, that may never happen.
That doesn’t really address the dichotomy. Don’t rape, and this guy wouldn’t have a problem.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:59 am to Festus
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Ace, please don't rape my granddaughter when she turns 16 under the guise of her being "slightly underaged". It will crush me.
I knew the danger when I responded. I'm not defending the guy.
Rape is a powerful word. A 16-year old isn't a 10-year old. The variability in age of consent laws just in the U.S. are significant. In other words, the first incident isn't even a crime in Alabama.
The second one? According to THE VICTIM - he pressured her to lie down next to him, then they started messing around (consensually) and he wouldn't take no for an answer after the appetizers. This victim was the mother of his children.
Now, does this suggest he's a scumbag? Sure. Does he deserve jail time? Maybe. He's on probation, so the law certainly supports that. But you guys want to shove a broom handle up his arse.
I've never done anything remotely like this. His conduct is appalling - the dishonesty, abuse of position of power, and he doesn't even have the defense of being a stupid kid of 19 or 20 - he's a grown arse man with children of his own.
But, if you cats want to hang old Beau, go ahead. Just make sure your own houses are in order, because the mob turns ugly when it turns.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 8:59 am to Ace Midnight
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oppose illegal immigration.
But you can oppose illegal immigration without supporting a legal system that forces a binary choice.
Just like you can support a legal system that doesn’t force the judge to sentence a two-time rapist to life in prison.
It seems to me like this country is saying a one-size-fits-all approach to illegal immigration is perfectly ok, but for rape, we’ll accommodate some gray area.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 9:05 am to victoire sécurisé
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Justice isn’t blind, nor is it objective.
I read opinions so on this case and find it fascinating that this guy has been prosecuted and convicted of rape twice and gets comments like “maybe he doesn’t need prison yet.” I mean, the circumstances of his rapes may be defensible, right? Maybe he’s not a monster.
On the other hand, we have brown people who cross our borders and earn paying wages to improve the quality of life for their family. They live in secrecy but in peace for years. Sorry, hombré, when you get caught, you have to give up everything you’ve built. You have to live in exile. There is no room for you in our country. Illegal is illegal.
I know these are two starkly different topics, lenient rape sentences and harsh immigration policies. But I find the differences in comments fascinating. It seems like this board can easily empathize with this guy who “banged an underaged hostess” and had “sexual impulse” problems with an ex, but can’t empathize at all with a poor guy from south of the border whose best course of action in life is to wait tables or mow lawns in a forbidden land
apples and oranges hombre! Mr brown skin is here illegally, he has no rights. This guy in question, while not condoning his actions, is a legal citizen and entitled to rights of a citizen.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 9:19 am to lake chuck fan
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lake chuck fan
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a one-size-fits-all approach to illegal immigration is perfectly ok, but for rape, we’ll accommodate some gray area.
You’re making my point. Thanks.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 9:53 am to Ace Midnight
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Rape is a powerful word. A 16-year old isn't a 10-year old. The variability in age of consent laws just in the U.S. are significant. In other words, the first incident isn't even a crime in Alabama.
Look, I agree that raping a 10 year old is slightly more heinous than raping a 16 year old. Even when the 10 year old gives consent. But the fact is, he raped the 16 year old. He broke the law. You can put lipstick on a pig...
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But, if you cats want to hang old Beau, go ahead. Just make sure your own houses are in order, because the mob turns ugly when it turns.
No, I don't want to hang old Beau. I just want to be clear that Beau is 33 years old, is the superior of the 16 year old, and raped her by law. As a now grandfather of a baby girl, that wouldn't sit well with me at all. And I would want him prosecuted. Reading this clearly indicates he has some sexual issues, and there's a pattern.
And as far as my own house in order? I give you my word, I'm not raping anyone, and especially not underaged girls. But you don't have to take my word for it. Believe what you want.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 10:32 am to TH03
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Greene County Circuit Judge Calvin R. Holden
JudgeHolden posts here.
GeauxJudge would've never allowed this travesty of justice to happen
Posted on 2/27/19 at 10:36 am to Displaced
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statutorily.
He certainly shouldn't get life in prison for banging the 17 year old hostess. There would be no restaurants that remained open if banging the underage hostess suddenly became a life sentence.
If statutory, I can't begin to care.
Hostesses and 17 year old waitresses are slinging that thing around
If in any way forcible, kill him.
Posted on 2/27/19 at 10:37 am to DemonKA3268
Too bad he didn't have an ounce of weed in his pocket while he was raping. Then his arse would of been rung up!
Posted on 2/27/19 at 10:42 am to Festus
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As a now grandfather of a baby girl, that wouldn't sit well with me at all.
I also have granddaughters and I agree.
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And I would want him prosecuted.
And he was. And got probation. And he violated that probation. I get and understand all that. But context remains important and context can/should impact punishment, IMHO.
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