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re: Judge gives guy 50 years no parole for drug charge
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:14 pm to Deactived
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:14 pm to Deactived
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i just have to ask why the bolded part was needed?
liberals like to create their own interpretations of religion to try to attack socially conservative religious types
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
This guy not only had liberty before he made the decision to ignore the law, but the state gave him liberty again after he fired a weapon at someone. He agreed, as a condition of that generous liberty, to comply with the law.
Hopefully the DA files the bill now and flattens him out.
Hopefully the DA files the bill now and flattens him out.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:17 pm to Napoleon
So if I'm the retard and you're the smart guy, why don't you educate me on the big picture of how great heroin is and how legalizing it would eliminate all our problems associated with it?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:18 pm to Deactived
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What's the downfall of making heroin legal?
Nothing at all, excpet less money for the police forces. Black market based crime would drop, the drug would be more pure, it would be regulated and taxed, and look average people don't do heroin. Most people who do heroin are opiate junkies who got cut off from opiates. If it were legal we could treat to problem, and erase the desire for the drug. Heroin is a very very addictive drug and just a few uses can get you hooked. I doubt more people would do it if legal. And people who do, well then we also get Darwinism into play...
The main thing is treatment, treat the addicts, rather than lock them up. I don't think most people understand addiction. You can't just quit heroin cold turkey.
It's out there legal or illegal. At least legal it would be easier to ensure that poisonous and bad cut batches were not out there, and it would mainly allow for treatment.
The fact that we send people away for decades without even offering treatment is a crying shame.
It's not like you can tell and addict "no that is illegal, don't do that" they are physically addicted and a physical addiction is a hard link to break.
It was fine when it was used as a cough medicine for kids.....
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:18 pm to tLSU
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This guy not only had liberty before he made the decision to ignore the law, but the state gave him liberty again after he fired a weapon at someone. He agreed, as a condition of that generous liberty, to comply with the law.
i have even said that if pos of CDS violated his probation (while not being a crime), he should face that sentence
...with a max of 10 years
quote:
Hopefully the DA files the bill now and flattens him out.
always remember, when you point a finger at somebody, there are 3 more pointing at you
this sort of non-productive, vindictive attitude is fine...as long as you're perfect
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:19 pm to boddagetta
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how legalizing it would eliminate all our problems associated with it?
which problems, exactly?
can we also discuss the problem with our current "war on drugs" and the system built around it?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:20 pm to boddagetta
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So if I'm the retard and you're the smart guy, why don't you educate me on the big picture of how great heroin is and how legalizing it would eliminate all our problems associated with it?
Heroin and cocaine overdoses kill about 10,000 Americans a year.
Do you think legalizing it would increase or decrease the number?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:21 pm to boddagetta
Heroin is not great, it's horrible. But refusing treatment and ending people's lives who are addicts is much worse than anything associated with heroin use.
It kills people? So? A lot of things kill people.
It wouldn't eliminate all problems, but it would eliminate more problems than keeping it illegal would, and if you cannot see that, then the "r" word fits.
Treatment
Purity
regulation
elimination of the black market
reduction in crime...
It kills people? So? A lot of things kill people.
It wouldn't eliminate all problems, but it would eliminate more problems than keeping it illegal would, and if you cannot see that, then the "r" word fits.
Treatment
Purity
regulation
elimination of the black market
reduction in crime...
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
OK, look, you've read my posts, I'm about as anti-state as you can get.
I am seeing this particular case as less about heroin and more about criminals that are determined to be criminals, even when they know the consequences.
The undisputed fact remains that crime, by almost any measurable category, has fallen dramatically in the past 25 years.
There are may factors, but the main one is that we are locking career criminals up for longer periods.
There are some downsides to this attitude (Nazi cops, higher taxes, prison contract abuse), but it has worked.
Most people are reading the OP (if they click the link) and are seeing a TPOS that is on probation, selling a (right now) illegal drug.
I am seeing this particular case as less about heroin and more about criminals that are determined to be criminals, even when they know the consequences.
The undisputed fact remains that crime, by almost any measurable category, has fallen dramatically in the past 25 years.
There are may factors, but the main one is that we are locking career criminals up for longer periods.
There are some downsides to this attitude (Nazi cops, higher taxes, prison contract abuse), but it has worked.
Most people are reading the OP (if they click the link) and are seeing a TPOS that is on probation, selling a (right now) illegal drug.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:21 pm to Deactived
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He is the shittiest try hard troll on here.
Love you too man. Your schtick about being a humorless critic keeps me on the edge of my seat.
But you're right, drug laws are serious and should be treated as such.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:21 pm to Bleeding purple
[Although I agree tax payers should not be paying for the disproportionate medical consequences of obesity, tobacco abuse, or alcohol abuse, there is are several glaring differences with illicit drugs vs food
I think at the end of the day it all boils down to personal responsibility. Drug dealers aren't shoving drugs down people's throat. They are sought out because there is a demand for the goods they offer. Technically, bartenders or individuals who sell liquor in stores are no different than a drug dealer. Statistically as far as damaging effects are concerned one could argue they are worse.
I think at the end of the day it all boils down to personal responsibility. Drug dealers aren't shoving drugs down people's throat. They are sought out because there is a demand for the goods they offer. Technically, bartenders or individuals who sell liquor in stores are no different than a drug dealer. Statistically as far as damaging effects are concerned one could argue they are worse.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:23 pm to N2cars
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he undisputed fact remains that crime, by almost any measurable category, has fallen dramatically in the past 25 years.
And yet, our prison population is at an all time high due to the war on drugs.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:24 pm to Deactived
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i just have to ask why the bolded part was needed?
I stand by that. I think people like to consider themselves Christian but do not at all believe in any of the stories of redemption and second chances that the bible put front and center.
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:24 pm to N2cars
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I am seeing this particular case as less about heroin and more about criminals that are determined to be criminals, even when they know the consequences.
well it's easy to say they're "determined" to be criminals when you and i haven't been ground down by this terrible system
there has been no bigger destroyer of economic potential in American history than the WOD
just think about the major impact of having a felony on your record. then think about how basically one drug (Weed) doesn't get a felony for possession (and with weed, in LA, one more and it's a felony). you're basically shaving off a great deal of economic potential over a lifetime with that simple variable.
now imagine all the other issues created by prosecution (not even a conviction). imagine being put in jail with a bond your family can't make, while free, and spending 12-18 months in jail before you can even get a trial. you think that doesn't have an impact on economic potential?
or the costs associated (lawyer, fines, court costs, probation fees, etc). that's a direct drain on economic resources
it's a system and it's rigged. the only reason why you or i haven't had to deal with it yet is b/c it's happy consuming the economic resources of a class below us. when it gets hungry enough, we'll be in the grinder, too
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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liberals like to create their own interpretations of religion to try to attack socially conservative religious types
that goes both ways, too.
But yes, I do not see how a Christian would be fine with someone basically losing his life because he was sick and diseased and refused treatment.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:25 pm to Maverick01
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I think at the end of the day it all boils down to personal responsibility
Yeah, I agree.
I think if I'm on probation, I chill out on selling horse for awhile.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:26 pm to Napoleon
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But yes, I do not see how a Christian would be fine with someone basically losing his life because he was sick and diseased and refused treatment.
i'm not a christian, but i can easily see this
religion is great if you remove all the stuff you have to do from it
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:28 pm to LucasP
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Your schtick
No shtick here.
Go find some other thread to be terrible and predictable in
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
You are 100% spot on with pretty much every post in the thread. Except for the narrative on the socially conservative. I don't think Christian makes you a republican. i do believe that it should make you more compassionate and there is no compassion in a fifty year prison sentence for someone who is only hurting themselves.
Not wanting to get into politics, but I always thought the small government types would be the ones more for legalization.
(though I get many are, like yourself)
Not wanting to get into politics, but I always thought the small government types would be the ones more for legalization.
(though I get many are, like yourself)
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:29 pm to Napoleon
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Not wanting to get into politics, but I always thought the small government types would be the ones more for legalization.
pretty sure most of the small government types posting in this thread are supporting that view
establishment conservative is not for "small government"
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