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re: Judge gives guy 50 years no parole for drug charge
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:51 am to chattabama
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:51 am to chattabama
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It is, however, entirely possible to partake in alcohol for a lifetime without being addicted. Several people have a glass of wine with dinner or a drink with friends without it impacting their lives. The addictive nature of heroin makes it impossible to do this.
And that's not an answer to the question. Which was would you support a ban on alcohol again
That's just saying alcohol isn't as addictive as heroin. And sure, like you said it's possible to drink and not be an addict. But plenty of people become alcoholics, so we just don't care about them
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Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Millions of people have used opiates at some point in their life and not damaged themselves or anyone else. In fact, you know people who use opiates, and just don't know it.
This x100
People take oxycodone (OxyContin) all the time and don't become addicted. I know a good bit of them personally. And oxycodone is just has addictive as heroin
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:53 am to chattabama
So that's the difference? A substance should be illegal if it has the ability to ruin someone's life UNLESS it can be used responsibly over a lifetime? 
that's hilarious
also, heroin can be used recreationally without becoming addicted
that's hilarious
also, heroin can be used recreationally without becoming addicted
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:53 am to JohnnyKilroy
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So you'd support a limit on how much someone can drink in one sitting? Over a 24 hour period? Should bars and restaurants cap drinks at 2 per person?
Already happens.
Bartenders cut you off if they think you've had too much, and they could be liable if they didn't.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:53 am to jg8623
It's entirely possible to use heroin in a responsible and moderate manner. It happens more often than many think.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:53 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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also, heroin can be used recreationally without becoming addicted
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:54 am to chattabama
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Bartenders cut you off if they think you've had too much, and they could be liable if they didn't.
Where? Not in Louisiana, or probably the majority of states.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:54 am to chattabama
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don't think it is possible to be a casual user of heroin.
How do you know?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:54 am to chattabama
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Bartenders cut you off if they think you've had too much, and they could be liable if they didn't.
You support laws that make them criminally liable?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:55 am to chattabama
I'm not sure why you're chuckling at that.
I've known addicts, of course, but I have also known those who have been able to partake in a great many substances without it becoming a ruling factor in life.
Typically, those who succumb to addiction do so because their life is shite, and they use a substance as a crutch to deal with crushing reality.
I've known addicts, of course, but I have also known those who have been able to partake in a great many substances without it becoming a ruling factor in life.
Typically, those who succumb to addiction do so because their life is shite, and they use a substance as a crutch to deal with crushing reality.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:57 am to chattabama
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Already happens.
Bartenders cut you off if they think you've had too much, and they could be liable if they didn't.
I've seen that happen like twice in my entire life and that was because they had just gotten in a fight in the bar Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:58 am to HempHead
I guess every person he knows who has ever taken a prescribed pain pill has become an addict
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:59 am to chattabama
where did you grow up that made you so naïve?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:00 am to chattabama
LINK
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Contrary to popular drug policy discourses that portray drug users as descending from first use into a hell of dependence and addiction, a new analysis of data from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH) suggests that most first-time users of most drugs were not using them a year later and that for nearly all illicit drugs, more than 90% of first-time users did not become dependent.
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When it came to any use of the drug within a year after first use, only alcohol and marijuana broke the 50% barrier, with 71% and 52%, respectively. Less than 20% of first-time heroin or crack users were still using after a year without being considered dependent, while slightly more than one-third of stimulant and powder cocaine users were.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:00 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I've tried just about every drug on this planet, and I've yet to form a crippling habit with any of them. I probably drink more than what is healthy, but it hasn't impacted my life in a way that prevents me from being productive or happy.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
How dare you bring these researched facts in here 
Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:06 am to HempHead
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I've known addicts
How many of those guys woke up one day and thought, "I am going to become an addict today"?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:09 am to chattabama
How many alcoholics did you know that said "I'm gonna become an alcoholic today"
Way to continue to deflect and dodge questions/facts that directly relate to this discussion
Way to continue to deflect and dodge questions/facts that directly relate to this discussion
Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:12 am to chattabama
Not becoming an addict is as easy as becoming one. One must simply recognize the dangers and temptation, and moderate in the face of them.
Many users, more specifically first-time ones, as Roger cited, are in it for the curiosity more than for finding something to 'patch the wound'. It is the wounded who are at danger.
Unfortunately, in the society and culture we live in, hopelessness is not unreasonable or confusing. The solution for addiction is not in curbing access to drugs, but in creating situations that preclude the need to become addicted.
Many users, more specifically first-time ones, as Roger cited, are in it for the curiosity more than for finding something to 'patch the wound'. It is the wounded who are at danger.
Unfortunately, in the society and culture we live in, hopelessness is not unreasonable or confusing. The solution for addiction is not in curbing access to drugs, but in creating situations that preclude the need to become addicted.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:17 am to HempHead
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but in creating situations that preclude the need to become addicted.
As if you can control for that. Are you going to outlaw jobs firing employees, landlords evicting residents for lack of payment because rent money was spent on heroin? Are you going to outlaw workplace stress?
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