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Judge gives class action status to victims of Philly LEO asset forfeiture

Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:55 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21836 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:55 pm
Judge doing some work...

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A federal judge has granted class certification to plaintiffs alleging that Philadelphia's civil asset forfeiture program creates an unconstitutional conflict of interest for law enforcement agencies.


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U.S. District Judge Eduardo Robreno Jr. of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in Sourovelis v. City of Philadelphiato grant class certification on claims that the forfeiture program violates the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. Although the ruling certified the class, which plaintiffs have characterized as involving more than 20,000 potential plaintiffs, Robreno also narrowed the definition of the class and the type of recovery the class could pursue.

Darpana Sheth of the Institute for Justice, a nonprofit advocacy group representing the plaintiffs, said the ruling was a "vindication" for Philadelphian residents who have had their assets seized.

"It's another victory because now the court's ruling means the four named plaintiffs can officially represent the tens of thousands of property owners with assets that have been seized in the last five years," Sheth said.

A spokesman for the city declined to comment, and a spokesman for the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office said they were still reviewing the opinion.

The lawsuit is on behalf of Philadelphia residents whose property had been seized under the city's asset forfeiture program since August 2012, and plaintiffs have alleged that the program has created an annual revenue stream of about $6 million—representing as much as 20 percent of the budget for the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office, which is a defendant in the case. The plaintiffs contend that the money goes to pay salaries and other expenses, creating an unconstitutional conflict of interest.


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To give you an idea of the original plaintiffs case...

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Back in March, Chris’s son was caught selling $40 worth of drugs outside of the home. With no previous arrests or a prior record, a court ordered him to attend rehab. But the very day Sourovelis was driving his son to begin treatment, he got a frantic call from his wife. Without any prior notice, police evicted the Sourovelises and seized the house, using a little-known law known as “civil forfeiture.”

Law enforcement barred the family from living in their own home for over a week. The family could only return home if they banned their son from visiting and relinquished some of their constitutional rights. Adding to the cruel irony, their son has already completed rehab, ending his punishment by the city. “If this can happen to me and my family, it can happen to anybody,” Sourovelis said.

Under civil forfeiture, property owners do not have to be convicted of a crime, or even charged with one, to permanently lose their property. Instead, the government can forfeit a property if it’s found to “facilitate” a crime, no matter how tenuous the connection. So rather than sue the owner, in civil forfeiture proceedings, the government sues the property itself, leading to surreal case names like Commonwealth of Pennsylvania v. The Real Property and Improvements Known as 2544 N. Colorado St.


Forbes
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
98663 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:59 pm to
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Without any prior notice, police evicted the Sourovelises and seized the house, using a little-known law known as “civil forfeiture.”


That is jacked up beyond belief.

One thing I have yet to understand is why can't the courts and the police wait until a verdict before auctioning off their crap? If you're found innocent, your stuff is still gone (car, house, life)
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40776 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:00 pm to
They use it as a way to get people to plea down. Gross overreach by the government under the name of law and order.

This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 4:51 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
98663 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:02 pm to
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They use it as a way to get people to plea down


Interesting. In this particular case, how in the frick did they come back several months AFTER he was arrested to seize everything? You get off as a first time offender here - literally.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24448 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:04 pm to
I'm not saying it's right cause it's not, but let's not all act like there's not way more to story here. The cops and the city aren't just going to seize a house over a small drug deal because they can, the guy either is up to a lot more and that's all they got him on or he was being a huge dbag. Likely both.

Eta: why does the article say the police did it? The police don't do that, it's the district attorney.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21836 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:05 pm to
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One thing I have yet to understand is why can't the courts and the police wait until a verdict before auctioning off their crap? If you're found innocent, your stuff is still gone (car, house, life)



Different standards.

To win a conviction in criminal court the prosecution has to show beyond a reasonable doubt that defendant committed a crime.

To win in civil court it's a prpeonderence of evidence. In other words "he probably did it". Not to mention, often the two cases go on concurrently, often with the defendant behind bars.

Think about this- how can you defend yourself (and your property) when you're in jail awaiting trial? It's hard to put your house up for a bond when it's been seized by the same people that want to put you behind bars.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21836 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:08 pm to
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The police don't do that, it's the district attorney.


In general the arresting officer has the capability to get the asset forfeiture ball rolling.

Look up "desert snow" or "black asphalt". There are whole seminars that teach LEO what to look for in order to maximize the payout for any given traffic stop or arrest.

It's a business now.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 4:09 pm
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
42596 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:09 pm to
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The cops and the city aren't just going to seize a house over a small drug deal because they can,

Yes they will. That's the entire point of the law.
Posted by GeauxBayouBengals
Member since Nov 2003
6256 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:37 pm to
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or he was being a huge dbag.


Good point, that's a totally valid and understandable reason for the state to seize a family's home.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
124884 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:40 pm to
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e. The cops and the city aren't just going to seize a house over a small drug deal because they can,


Lol

People have such a naive view of police. The average cop is a cop because he didn't have any better options.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 4:41 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24448 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:35 pm to
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Lol

People have such a naive view of police. The average cop is a cop because he didn't have any better options.


Lol.

People have no idea how big of dbags most people this happens to are. If it was truly a $40 drug deal that's basically a ticket and community service. Yet that's not what happened.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
124884 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:38 pm to
Are you a cop?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24448 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:38 pm to
I'm on the internet, I'm whatever I want to be
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
15293 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:40 pm to
This is another way for Cities to steal from their citizens.

Some of these Chiefs are pushed hard to seize anything they can. The City leaders get drunk on cash flow.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
124884 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:40 pm to
So, you agree with civil asset forfeiture being used on people because they're mean to the cops? Is that right?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24448 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:41 pm to
FYI, it was $40 of heroin. No one goes from natural lite at hs parties to heroin.

Eta: so yes, if you ask me if I have an issue with stopping some pos 18 year old from selling heroin to 16 year olds then not really. Again, the whole idea that the cops just took their house out of no where is absurd. Is it right? I don't know, but I doubt it's nearly as wrong as the article tries to make it.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 5:48 pm
Posted by Merck
Tuscaloosa
Member since Nov 2009
1693 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:49 pm to
What difference does that make? If your kid turns into a douchebag should the police be able to seize your house because he did something stupid in front of it?
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 6:03 pm to
I will agree that Civil Asset Forfeiture should be amended.

But I also believe that money and assets attained through criminal enterprise should be seizeable.

We need to find a happy medium.

And NIH...you are a moron.
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
2961 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 6:05 pm to
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I'm on the internet, I'm whatever I want to be


So you are a **** right now?

You also seem like a pig in real life though. Why do you defend those POS for taking their house for a simple drug charge? Civil forfeiture happens all over the country and no charges have to be made at all. The cop can say that they suspect the money, the car, of your house was used or bought with drug money and bam, your shite is gone. A lot of times they don't even give you a crime yet steal your shite.

Then cops wonder why the public talk so much shite about them? Maybe if the good cops arrest and get rid of those corrupt thugs with a badge, maybe people will start to respect their authority.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
124884 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 6:07 pm to
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But I also believe that money and assets attained through criminal enterprise should be seizeable.


after a trial

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And NIH...you are a moron.


Guessing you're a cop
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