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re: James Holmes gets life in prison
Posted on 8/8/15 at 8:45 am to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 8/8/15 at 8:45 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Until the death penalty is 100%, foolproof, it should have no place in the USA. One innocent put to death is too many. And no, this guy is not innocent.
That's my problem with it. Routinely we read of guys freed bc new evidence clears them.
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Posted on 8/8/15 at 8:49 am to northshorebamaman
Personally, I'd take the death penalty over spending the rest of my life in a Supermax solitary confinement cell.
That's an easy claim to make...
That's an easy claim to make...
Posted on 8/8/15 at 8:55 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Personally, I'd take the death penalty over spending the rest of my life in a Supermax solitary confinement cell.
That's an easy claim to make...
no shite, if they would actually lock him up with no TV, to books, no nothing it would be a very effective torture.
On the other hand, what do you have to do in Colorado to get the death penalty? It is shite like this that causes black people to say, "Why are so many black guys on death row?" They likely deserve it but so do people like this guy.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 9:09 am to biglego
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That's my problem with it. Routinely we read of guys freed bc new evidence clears them.
Or worse yet, people who have been executed and forensic evidence later proved their innocence.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 9:20 am to TigerBait1127
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Except that the death penalty is more expensive
But it doesn't have to be - it is made so by the rabid anti-death penalty movement, prolonged appeal procedures and all of that.
If a lot of that was streamlined, it would be more cost-effective. The other part of this is - if the death penalty were more consistently and quickly applied, the deterrent effect would be more pronounced. Nobody fears a 20-year long process at the end of which they get a shot and drift off to sleep forever.
If they knew that killing the person or people in front of them might result in a long drop from a short rope in 6 months - a year at most, then they might be more circumspect in their actions.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 9:45 am to Ace Midnight
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Except that the death penalty is more expensive
But it doesn't have to be - it is made so by the rabid anti-death penalty movement, prolonged appeal procedures and all of that.
I get that. But that's largely in part to ensure innocent people aren't killed. Innocent people are convicted, we know that. The least we could do is ensure they aren't killed. The government is a scary beast and can not be trusted to do much right.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 9:45 am to Ace Midnight
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I cannot imagine the mental gymnastics required to justify wholesale slaughter of the unborn, purely for convenience,
Correct.
According to the bible, the wholesale slaughter of children should be reserved for taking land that you've been promised by God. He does the hard part, which is promise it to you. All you're left to do to claim it is kill every man, woman and child currently living on it.
There's money to be made in real estate if you're a Christian.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 9:49 am to biglego
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But that's largely in part to ensure innocent people aren't killed.
And I get that.
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Innocent people are convicted, we know that.
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Breaking a criminal justice system to avoid any error is a fool's errand. There will ALWAYS be errors when human beings are concerned. If we strive to make it as good as we can get it and punish overzealous, corrupt law enforcement and prosecutors, perhaps we cut down on that side of it.
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The government is a scary beast and can not be trusted to do much right.
Absolutely. But so are SJWs who do not seek to change the system through Constitutional means (i.e. amend the Constitution to prohibit the practice - an amendment that would never pass), so they seek to collapse the system by overwhelming the courts with paperwork.
However, justice delayed is justice denied. I stand by that. The fact that Charles Manson still lives and his victims have been dead about as long as I've been alive tells you all you need to know about how broken the system really is.
And he got the death penalty - by a California jury. Activist courts spared Manson - that's almost as bad as executing an innocent person.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 9:50 am to PygmalionEffect
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There's money to be made in real estate if you're a Christian.
I'm playing this card:
Those who suggest such a thing aren't Christians - they've hijacked a religion of peace and love.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 9:50 am to Walt OReilly
his trial was a waste of time and money. He should of been hung by his toes in the sun and left to starve.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 9:59 am to Ace Midnight
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If they knew that killing the person or people in front of them might result in a long drop from a short rope in 6 months - a year at most, then they might be more circumspect in their actions.
I think that is a ridiculous assumption. People aren't saying "Oh, it is just life in prison, guess I should pull this trigger"
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But it doesn't have to be - it is made so by the rabid anti-death penalty movement, prolonged appeal procedures and all of that.
Because you are ending the person's life. We know there are wrongful convictions that have happened already
This post was edited on 8/8/15 at 10:01 am
Posted on 8/8/15 at 10:00 am to Ace Midnight
Just my pet peeve when people try to take a position of reason and logic while referring to select verses or generalized teachings of the bible.
If there is a piece of literature more illogical and contradictory than the bible, I'm not aware of it.
Supposedly telling someone "Thou shalt not kill" then a few chapters later this same being telling this same group to slaughter every man, woman, and child of multiple tribes in order to take ownership of land is pretty confusing stuff to me.
If there is a piece of literature more illogical and contradictory than the bible, I'm not aware of it.
Supposedly telling someone "Thou shalt not kill" then a few chapters later this same being telling this same group to slaughter every man, woman, and child of multiple tribes in order to take ownership of land is pretty confusing stuff to me.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 10:02 am to TigerBait1127
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We know there are wrongful convictions that have happened already
Certainly. Collateral damage happens in any war. We should strive to minimize it, certainly. But, the perfect is the enemy of the good. One cannot do anything involving humans perfectly.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 10:03 am to Ace Midnight
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And he got the death penalty - by a California jury. Activist courts spared Manson - that's almost as bad as executing an innocent person.
No, it isn't almost as bad. Not even in the same ballpark
Posted on 8/8/15 at 10:04 am to Ace Midnight
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The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Easy to say from where you're sitting.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 10:05 am to TigerBait1127
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No, it isn't almost as bad. Not even in the same ballpark
Read it again - carefully. I'm not even talking about someone getting away with murder (as Holmes has). I'm talking about a person who was at the head of an organization that resulted in the heinous murders of several people - in 2 separate incidents. A California judge and jury convicted him and sentenced him to death. Then, unelected lawyers on the Supreme Court decided that capital punishment, per se, is unconstitutional, despite the fact the words are in the fricking text of the document.
Thus thwarting the will of the people and their representatives in the jury box, legislature, etc.
That is almost as bad as executing an innocent person. Not "as bad", but almost.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 10:08 am to biglego
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Easy to say from where you're sitting.
So, you're against the death penalty in all circumstances, because of the possibility of error?
Okay - so we logically extend that out - we can't allow self-defense, because there is a chance for error.
We cannot fight in a war, because there is a chance for error. We cannot even incarcerate people, because, what if they're innocent?
(This is probably more poliboard than O-T - I'll shut up, now.)
Posted on 8/8/15 at 10:09 am to Ace Midnight
I read it, and think that 1 innocent person being put to death by the government is way, way, way worse.
He has life in prison. Why I don't agree with the move, he isn't walking the streets and killing anyone ever again.
He has life in prison. Why I don't agree with the move, he isn't walking the streets and killing anyone ever again.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 10:15 am to Ace Midnight
I'd agree with you on the death penalty 100% if I knew innocent people wouldn't be killed. I'd be for public hanging or whatever. But I know better than that. I know the government gets it wrong, so yes I'd rather no death penalty at all than to execute innocent people. Bc At least while serving a life sentence, an innocent person has a chance. The death penalty is final unlike a life sentence.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 10:24 am to biglego
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Bc At least while serving a life sentence, an innocent person has a chance.
And how many of the guilty convince a sympathetic parole board to let them out in their 50s and 60s? A mercy not available to their victims.
Again, different perspective. I'm not in favor of doing anything to innocent people. The number of guilty who get away with it simply dwarfs that number by several orders of magnitude.
(Sorry - I said I'd shut up.)
This post was edited on 8/8/15 at 10:25 am
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