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re: It’s the Flu vaccine now…how in the world do words lose their meaning so fast?
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:32 am to Gaston
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:32 am to Gaston
quote:From a large health system I consult for:
My point is simply: The term flu shot is gone now from all emails urging people to get protected…it’s now flu vaccine and I’m commenting on it.
quote:
Team member flu shots are now available and remain a mandatory requirement. This week flu shots are conveniently available in the Employee Health:
Tuesday, October 26 - 7 a.m. - 3:30 p.m.
Thursday, October 28 - 7 a.m. - 3:30 p.m.
Friday, October 29 - 7 a.m. - 3:30 p.m.
This conspiracy is in your head
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Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:32 am to Gaston
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Vaccine meant something completely different for all of my 48 years. How does this happen?
Politicians.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:33 am to BU Bear In BR
So, what is now the medical definition for something that can stop a virus from harming you, and prevent you from spreading it.
There HAS to be a name for something like this, right? Because when my parents were kids, that is what a real "vaccine" did. See Polio...
There HAS to be a name for something like this, right? Because when my parents were kids, that is what a real "vaccine" did. See Polio...
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:35 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:you might want to read up on the original rollout of the polio vaccine. Breakthrough cases were common
There HAS to be a name for something like this, right? Because when my parents were kids, that is what a real "vaccine" did. See Polio...
But you should compare covid to the flu. They are highly mutating viruses that both have vaccines.
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:37 am
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:35 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
We KNOW the CDC changed the definition recently.
They did change it, but not for the reasons you think they did
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:37 am to Jake88
quote:
Trump pushed this too in the run up to its release.
I don’t deny that. Everyone was circle jerking about how great these vaccines were going to be. That’s why it smelled so much like BS.
But the fact that Trump was saying the same
Thing doesn’t give anyone a pass for their misrepresentation (or outright lies) about the product. Nor does it render skepticism towards the vaccines invalid.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:39 am to BU Bear In BR
Ok, great. So we now admit the definition did change.
The reasons to many aren't going to matter. Thus their confusion.
After all the lies told to us about COVID, why do people insist on shitting on those who point out things like this?
In the case of the OP, it sounds like his company just made a mistake in calling it a flu vaccine. After the definition change recently, I can see why they did that.
Hell, there was a sign at a local pharmacy just the other day where it said "Prevent from spreading Covid by taking the vaccine". Again, that's a flat out lie. You will still spread it. If I point this out, does that make me a moron?
The reasons to many aren't going to matter. Thus their confusion.
After all the lies told to us about COVID, why do people insist on shitting on those who point out things like this?
In the case of the OP, it sounds like his company just made a mistake in calling it a flu vaccine. After the definition change recently, I can see why they did that.
Hell, there was a sign at a local pharmacy just the other day where it said "Prevent from spreading Covid by taking the vaccine". Again, that's a flat out lie. You will still spread it. If I point this out, does that make me a moron?
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:40 am to tigerinthebueche
quote:
Thing doesn’t give anyone a pass for their misrepresentation (or outright lies) about the product.
even the most ardent anti COVID vaxxers like Alex Berenson can admit that the vaccines were very effective against alpha
then the effectiveness began rapidly declining for Delta and basically useless against Omnicron
but in the beginning, they were not lying about its effectiveness and data backs that up
Delta and Omnicron? Not so much
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:43 am to tigerinthebueche
quote:
But the fact that Trump was saying the same
Thing doesn’t give anyone a pass for their misrepresentation (or outright lies) about the product. Nor does it render skepticism towards the vaccines invalid.
Correct, Trump was a huge part of this....
Main difference, however, was Trump NEVER once got on TV and told everyone there would be a "winter of death for the unvaxxed", nor did he mandate that you take the shot or lose your job.
BIG DIFFERENCE
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:45 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:Are you arguing with the mouse in your pocket? Who here supported mandates or fear porn?
Main difference, however, was Trump NEVER once got on TV and told everyone there would be a "winter of death for the unvaxxed", nor did he mandate that you take the shot or lose your job. BIG DIFFERENCE
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:48 am to BU Bear In BR
You really don't think the timing was "odd"?
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:49 am to Gaston
Do you also think daylight savings time actually saves daylight?
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:49 am to lsupride87
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you might want to read up on the original rollout of the polio vaccine. Breakthrough cases were common
Of course, until they were able to course correct and have it do what it was designed to do. It stopped you from getting it and spreading it.
quote:
But you should compare covid to the flu. They are highly mutating viruses that both have vaccines.
Agreed, so why rip the OP a new one. His company is clearly doing that.
Still doesn't change the fact that the definition of vaccine is changed. Not necessary to brow beat someone for pointing that fact out.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:51 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:The OP is being ripped a new one because he thinks calling the flu vaccine the flu vaccine is a conspiracy
Agreed, so why rip the OP a new one. His company is clearly doing that.
That didn’t changed. It’s always and forever will be the flu vaccine. Some call it a shot, some fall it a jab, but it has always been the flu vaccine.
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 9:52 am
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:52 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
Still doesn't change the fact that the definition of vaccine is changed. Not necessary to brow beat someone for pointing that fact out.
and if they had done it in 2016 to more accurately reflect how vaccines like the flu shot work, you and everyone else would have been like "yeah that's fair"
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:52 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
So, what is now the medical definition for something that can stop a virus from harming you, and prevent you from spreading it.
There HAS to be a name for something like this, right? Because when my parents were kids, that is what a real "vaccine" did. See Polio...
The only way to 'prevent' infection is by inducing humoral immunity. But the ability to induce immunity is dependent on the morphology of the microbe. If an infectious agent has established latency, has antigenic variation, and interferes with immune response, it is extremely difficult to develop a vaccine that will 'prevent' infection, because antibodies are antigen-specific. Despite being an RNA virus, polio had antigenic stability at 3 key sites, which allowed for a humoral response which was robust. But the near-eradication of polio was two-fold, as water filtration decreased the overall number of cases before vaccines were introduced. That's why curbing transmission vectors is extremely important in addition to a vaccine.
The other thing to note is that the adaptive immune response to intracellular viruses is limited by the fact that those antigen-specific antibodies cannot act inside the cell. Neither vaccination nor infection confers resistance to every possible serotype of an infectious agent.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:55 am to lsupride87
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Are you arguing with the mouse in your pocket? Who here supported mandates or fear porn?
Again, changing the definition of vaccine went in with all of the items I mentioned above, thus frustrating people.
It is a valid point. COVID was politicized big time. That is something no one should deny. When you replace science with politics (see Global Warming), you get people asking questions.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:56 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
We KNOW the CDC changed the definition recently. Why is pointing that out so outrageous?
Because the definition in immunology changed much earlier. We can track this change through editions of textbooks.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:57 am to Salmon
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but in the beginning, they were not lying about its effectiveness and data backs that up
They also weren’t acknowledging any of the side effects. And they also were inflating Covid deaths/cases by classifying everything as a Covid death (remember the motor cycle accident that was classified as a Covid death cause
The victim wasn’t vaccinated)?
The CDC reportedly wouldn’t even record calls to it’s own VAERS system!
So again, the skepticism wasn’t unwarranted. It was panic and fear porn before anyone even knew if the panic and fear was necessary.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:58 am to tigerinthebueche
quote:This is a complete lie
They also weren’t acknowledging any of the side effects.
The CDC has posted multiple studies on the many potential side effects including but not limited to
Myocarditis
Bell’s palsy
Pericarditis
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