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re: It's official - Bonnet Carre Spillway to open tomorrow AM

Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:07 pm to
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12654 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:07 pm to
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I’m curious what happens when the States of Mississippi and Alabama decide to litigate this.

The Army Corps of Engineers, the other 9 states that rely on a navigable river for imports/exports, and the US agriculture & petrochemical industries tell them to pound sand.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 10:08 pm
Posted by lsufishnhunt
Member since Jun 2008
1044 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:51 am to
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Bull shite.

This is a Louisiana problem


Umm - you realize what happens if the river overtops a levee, right?
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 9:57 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40229 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:27 am to
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associated question...how's the new railroad bridge coming by I-10? they were making pretty good time when I passed by in February...


Seems to be progressing well... it's a hell of a sight.

quote:

hope they don't have to stop construction now that the spillway is going to be repoened


I'm sure they will.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40229 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:28 am to
quote:

I’m curious what happens when the States of Mississippi and Alabama decide to litigate this


They learn about how federal desires trump state desires?
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168846 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:29 am to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41804 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:32 am to
What if?
What would happen if the Mississippi River was never leveed? How much river water would flow down the Bayou Manchac watershed into Maurepas and then Ponchatrain? Biloxi/Gulfport doesn’t have natural beaches. They were man made.
It’s all interrelated
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40229 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:45 am to
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What would happen if the Mississippi River was never leveed? How much river water would flow down the Bayou Manchac watershed into Maurepas and then Ponchatrain?


Some, but a lot of the water would never make it to that point, as it would get diverted toward Morgan City.

You wouldn't have much of a Port of NOLA.
Posted by lsufishnhunt
Member since Jun 2008
1044 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:45 am to
Exactly - it’s far from “a louisiana problem” as the other poster suggested
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41804 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:57 am to
Flashback to the 1860s and look how things were all up and down the river. It was much different. As man changed things the river responded. And if left untouched I think the river would have completely changed course and where MC is now there would be a growing delta region.

What would the mid and upper river be like during these massive flood events?
What would Gulfport and Biloxi be like with no beaches?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40229 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:05 am to
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Flashback to the 1860s and look how things were all up and down the river. It was much different. As man changed things the river responded. And if left untouched I think the river would have completely changed course and where MC is now there would be a growing delta region.


100 percent agree.

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What would the mid and upper river be like during these massive flood events?


Most of the levees and flood control devices in those stretches are pretty minimal, so I don't think it would that much different. Probably more oxbow lakes.

quote:

What would Gulfport and Biloxi be like with no beaches?


They aren't using the beaches now all that much

The water in the sound would be a lot clearer, I would think.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175859 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:08 am to
quote:

What if?
What would happen if the Mississippi River was never leveed? How much river water would flow down the Bayou Manchac watershed into Maurepas and then Ponchatrain? Biloxi/Gulfport doesn’t have natural beaches. They were man made.
It’s all interrelated

Bayou Manchac sure wouldn't be a tiny ditch full of old tires behind the U club if the river wasn't leveed. It's hard to believe they once sailed ships through it.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
168846 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:10 am to
Absolute state of that guy calling me out in the other river thread. As if my river pilots and navigators would feed me false info.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175859 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:21 am to
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Opening Morganza is cataclysmic because as you said, it might well fail while opened.

People mix up the Old River Control Structure and Morganza Structure. They’re not the same thing.

If Morganza “failed” the river wouldn’t change course. It doesn’t naturally flow that way. The water has to go over a potato levee and fill a forebay. Diverted river water would flow through then the river level would drop, the forebay would drain, the lever would block the flow, and they could repair the structure.

The river will NOT change course through Morganza. But people say that in every thread.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
40200 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:23 am to
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Umm - you realize what happens if the river overtops a levee, right?


Open the morganza first.

Some farmland in Louisiana isn't worth destroying Alabama beaches and Mississippi's seafood industry.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41804 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:26 am to
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Most of the levees and flood control devices in those stretches are pretty minimal, so I don't think it would that much different. Probably more oxbow lakes.


I don’t know about that. During some of these flood events I remember seeing levees along the river being overtopped and breeched causing major flooding. If there were no levees it would be much worse. There are also reservoirs and spillways used in flood events to fight these floods. I think there are more flood measures taken on the Miss. River watershed than you think.
Posted by The Sea Otter
Member since Mar 2019
582 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:31 am to
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Open the morganza first.

Some farmland in Louisiana isn't worth destroying Alabama beaches and Mississippi's seafood industry.


Farms are essential, places for white-trash to get a sunburn are not.

Frick Mississippi's seafood industry
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175859 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:36 am to
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Open the morganza first.

Some farmland in Louisiana isn't worth destroying Alabama beaches and Mississippi's seafood industry.

Morganza impacts life and property. Bonnet Carre doesn't. Bonnet Carre may impact fishing but it doesn't force people out of their homes.
Posted by lsufishnhunt
Member since Jun 2008
1044 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:50 am to
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destroying Alabama beaches and Mississippi's seafood industry.


Show me where/when this happened as a direct result of Bonnet Carre being open
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
40200 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 11:58 am to
quote:

Frick Mississippi's seafood industry


No, frick you.
Posted by The Sea Otter
Member since Mar 2019
582 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

No, frick you.


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